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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Apr 8, 2008 5:47:32 GMT -5
Magical preggies doen't have to happen the vaginal way. Perhaps a demon breath on her and bam! If Dawn had a baby, it could very well be one of the most powerful beeings on Earth and guarding, I mean, come on, the child of the Key? Beaucop the mojo. Yeah, I don't really see Joss resorting to getting his main character, Buffy, pregnant by a demon breath. Or any other way that doesn't involve hot steamy sex. Dawn isn't the key anymore and the guy who had sex with her is just some guys roommate.. Unless of course this Nick guy is Twilight himself!!... i don't see her getting pregnant any way at all, and i hope Joss doesn't either. And about the key thing, I don't see how one of the most powerful beeings in the universe could just stop being itself. It's just in human form(read my above comment if you want more arguments) But that's up to Joss.
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Post by themaleslayer on Apr 8, 2008 14:53:42 GMT -5
Who would have gotten Buffy pregnant?? Satsu?! I don't really see why they would have to protect that "Prince" from Twilight. Their is nothing magical about that baby. (sorry hypothetical baby) Magical preggies doen't have to happen the vaginal way. Perhaps a demon breath on her and bam! If Dawn had a baby, it could very well be one of the most powerful beeings on Earth and guarding, I mean, come on, the child of the Key? Beaucop the mojo. Again, she's no longer the key Unless she gives birth to the Key - new generation...yeah, i'd see that happening, maybe.
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Post by wenxina on Apr 8, 2008 18:27:15 GMT -5
Magical preggies doen't have to happen the vaginal way. Perhaps a demon breath on her and bam! I'd like to see some evidence regarding the no sex conception of demon babies? I mean, both occurences of demonic fertilization on Angel involved the unimaginative thrusting, so I don't see where you get off (bad pun) on the demon breath thing. And if that's true... do you really need to be female then, if the vagina can be ruled out? Maybe Xander will bloat up again post-coitus with some evil demon chick... EDIT: And why I say "both", I meant the three pregnancies on Angel: Cordy's sitch, Darla with Connor, and Cordy (again!) with Jasmine.
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Post by Emmie on Apr 8, 2008 18:36:26 GMT -5
oh god, xander pregnant?! i just had visions of btvs turning into the arnold schwarzeneggar movie 'junior'
bad wenxina bad
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Post by wenxina on Apr 8, 2008 18:39:58 GMT -5
I was being ironic. But I'm glad that I'm so effective in doling out bad images. It's just that Season 8 Xander is pretty much the fittest, and may I say sexiest that Xander's been in a very long time. Since Season 2, methinks. That's the one reference that I loved about the Dracula/Xander exchange, that they'd actually reference his change in appearance.
edit: I was actually thinking more along the lines of Aliens. Kind of a nod at Joss' attempt at Alien: Resurrection
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Post by Emmie on Apr 8, 2008 18:43:59 GMT -5
I think i'd be happier if Buffy had to rescue 'gonna party like its 1999' Prince versus someone having a mystical baby as the prince. Say it with me now: "no more demon spawn!"
Xander is looking mighty fine in season 8. The #2 cover of him is yum.
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Post by ded1 on Apr 8, 2008 19:29:25 GMT -5
I might be wrong[its been a while since I watched storyteller]but when Andrew introduced Dawn on camera,didn't he say that she was a key[although he didn't know to what]
I'm pretty much with everyone else when I say "no pregnancy"
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Post by dgryphon on Apr 8, 2008 20:48:17 GMT -5
I know Joss likes him some metaphor for real life, but I'm hoping he's not willing to go in for the overly trite teen pregnancy one. We've already had to deal with 2 mystical pregnancies (first Connor, which was interesting I must concede, and then Jasmine, which sucked); surely he won't do it a third time, especially since the fans reacted so negatively to Cordy being preggers with Jasmine.
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Post by wenxina on Apr 8, 2008 20:53:25 GMT -5
Methinks the fans' reaction was more aimed at the fact that Connor - to use his words - went all Oedipus on Cordy. That was probably the biggest gross-out factor. I wasn't really perturbed by it, and I didn't hate the situation... I thought it was amusingly interesting that Joss likes to play the omniscient being card sometimes... I mean the amount of detail that went into Jasmine's plan to be reborn on earth was insane.
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Post by dgryphon on Apr 8, 2008 20:56:38 GMT -5
I always thought that it seemed so weirdly convenient that all those events from season 3 of Buffy (return of Angel) to season 4 of Angel were aimed at bringing Jasmine to this plane of existence. Frankly, it really irritated me and I choose, to this day, to believe that it's not really true- in my mind, Skip was just trying to be really impressive and ended up being melodramatic.
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Post by Rebecca on Apr 9, 2008 2:53:53 GMT -5
lol. i just finished angel and i feel the same. well, er... almost. i liked all the seasons of angel except number four, which i'll just skip in my future viewings.
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Apr 9, 2008 4:37:55 GMT -5
I Know Who The Price Is... Prince Himself! That Woul Be So Funny!
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Post by wenxina on Apr 9, 2008 8:48:47 GMT -5
If that be so... please allow Georges a little extra time to pencil the guy... I want The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (does he still go by the moniker?) to be captured in all his pants bulging, hairy chested, polka-dotted, falsettoed glory. I think that makes for an even more disturbing image than Xander with a bulge, coz hey, we've seen chubby Xander.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Apr 9, 2008 11:32:26 GMT -5
Magical preggies doen't have to happen the vaginal way. Perhaps a demon breath on her and bam! I'd like to see some evidence regarding the no sex conception of demon babies? I mean, both occurences of demonic fertilization on Angel involved the unimaginative thrusting, so I don't see where you get off (bad pun) on the demon breath thing. And if that's true... do you really need to be female then, if the vagina can be ruled out? Maybe Xander will bloat up again post-coitus with some evil demon chick... EDIT: And why I say "both", I meant the three pregnancies on Angel: Cordy's sitch, Darla with Connor, and Cordy (again!) with Jasmine. in nature we can see how different animals are mating in different ways, so why assume that all demons mate like humans? i mean, possessing a human is done in different ways on the show, through blood, breath,etc, so why not mating? Btw, i've read some interesting Angel/Spike/xander fixs were Xander gets pregnant.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Apr 9, 2008 11:34:49 GMT -5
Again, she's no longer the key Unless she gives birth to the Key - new generation...yeah, i'd see that happening, maybe. i just wonder, what makes you think that Dawn isn't the Key anymore? And do you think that being the Key can pass from mother to child, since you say that you can see dawn giving birth to the Key. i'm not trying to be a bitch, i just don't get it.
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Post by Wyndam on Apr 9, 2008 11:59:49 GMT -5
While Dawn may still be the product of a few monks taking a hige ball of energy that was centuries old and turning her into a little girl, she is no longer able to "open" anything. She is just normal now. She was only able to be used that one time, that one ritual with Glory, and that time has passed. So in a sense she is no longer a key.
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Post by wenxina on Apr 9, 2008 14:05:08 GMT -5
in nature we can see how different animals are mating in different ways, so why assume that all demons mate like humans? i mean, possessing a human is done in different ways on the show, through blood, breath,etc, so why not mating? Btw, i've read some interesting Angel/Spike/xander fixs were Xander gets pregnant. Animals mate in many ways, but it usually falls into sexual/asexual reproduction. True, some animals need the sperm of another related species (there are no males in these animals) to initiate the cloning event (they do not take up the DNA of the male) and some female animals take turns mounting each other to stimulate certain events, but here's the wacky thing about nature, there are very few ways to get about doing things. So as to why not mating in a whole new radical way, because mating in the intent of producing offspring/demon spawn/hell brethren/etc is still the same thing. You still need to impregnate the host (damn those parasitic babies!), even if done Aliens style. The only time something different has happened was in the case of Fred, where she was infected by Illyria. And even then, it wasn's so much a pregnancy than a possession, for the lack of a better word that I can think of. But as that was an indication of curiosity killing the cat, as well as to throw Wesley down a certain path, it's a highly dissimilar situation than say Dawn's moment of infidelity. While I'm not denying that demons can spawn any other way (the heck I know), I'm just saying that there's no empiric precedent for it, because the show's hardly ever been about the freaky demons, but rather the consequences of certain actions.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Apr 10, 2008 7:25:32 GMT -5
While Dawn may still be the product of a few monks taking a hige ball of energy that was centuries old and turning her into a little girl, she is no longer able to "open" anything. She is just normal now. She was only able to be used that one time, that one ritual with Glory, and that time has passed. So in a sense she is no longer a key. I think you're half right. i think that she might live to an old age(or be killed) as a human, never opening anything, and then she turns back into a green ball of energy. in that way she is normal. But why should she only be able to open one portal to one world? I'm sure that at the right time and place and bleeding she could open up portals to all sorts of worlds. Isn't she a universal Key, able to open all sorts of dimensions at the rights time? Has it been mentioned otherwise? I can't remember it being said that she was only able to open a portal to Glory's world. Perhaps in another millenia she can open the portal again, but Glory was in a hurry. She might not be able to open anything again, but she is still the key, functional or not. It's what she's made of. unless of course, the monks created a human, dawn, to containe some of the Key's essence and that essence is gone now that Glory's dead. But i don't think that's likely.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Apr 10, 2008 7:31:03 GMT -5
I see your point wenxina. My theory about non-sexual demon-preggies is yet to be proven. But I still believe in the possibility.
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Post by wenxina on Apr 10, 2008 8:15:06 GMT -5
But why should she only be able to open one portal to one world? I'm sure that at the right time and place and bleeding she could open up portals to all sorts of worlds. Isn't she a universal Key, able to open all sorts of dimensions at the rights time? Has it been mentioned otherwise? I can't remember it being said that she was only able to open a portal to Glory's world. Perhaps in another millenia she can open the portal again, but Glory was in a hurry. She might not be able to open anything again, but she is still the key, functional or not. It's what she's made of. unless of course, the monks created a human, dawn, to containe some of the Key's essence and that essence is gone now that Glory's dead. But i don't think that's likely. I don't think that Dawn's Key-ness is gone. Potential's probably there, given the right time, the right rituals (of course it's gotta be a ritual involving blood...), and the right place, she could probably be functional again. I disagree though that it's never been shown before that Dawn can open more than just one portal. The point was that in opening a portal to her hell dimension, Glory would open many portals to different worlds as all the barriers separating the dimensions would collapse and bleed into our own. And it is shown... although probably not too clearly by the many demon variants that make a brief appearance in "The Gift". So yes, Dawn is kind of a master key. But when she can be used... that I'm not sure has ever been resolved. But it did seem that Glory was in a hurry, as you mentioned, and there were signs that her lackeys were reading. Maybe something cliched like when the planets align, yada yada yada.
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