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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jun 9, 2009 8:26:02 GMT -5
If all of the Core Four are alive next season, I'll be astounded. Absolutely astounded.
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Post by Joe on Jun 9, 2009 12:29:12 GMT -5
If all of the Core Four are alive next season, I'll be astounded. Absolutely astounded. Why would you be astounded? The core four will NEVER die.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jun 9, 2009 12:34:21 GMT -5
I think Joss is going to really lower the boom this season and kill of one or more major characters.
Call it a gut feeling.
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Post by henzINNIT on Jun 9, 2009 13:48:57 GMT -5
If we're going for single timeline theory timetravel, Willow is sort of safe. She survives until Fray's time.
Xander is going to die... maybe.
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Post by Joe on Jun 9, 2009 14:25:13 GMT -5
If I had to choose between the core four. I say Willow or Giles can die (don't hurt me), but I really think Buffy needs Xander more than the other two. Season 8 especially.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jun 9, 2009 14:30:30 GMT -5
Willow would be the one that would hurt the most for me, followed by Xander or Dawn.
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Post by D'Hoffryn on Jun 9, 2009 15:20:08 GMT -5
well i think joss is capable of anything. If any were to die i would guess giles, let him and buffy patch up their differences, then bamm. But i think Willow will take a hit of Anti-magic, ref S6 and will be left nearly powerless like in the future then buffy no longer has a 'big gun'
I'm glad that most on the board share my love for amy and understand she never had the support that willow did. I think amy and warren in 'retreat' will find out what twighlight is really up to and turn on him.
I would like to know, is a werewolf classed as a demon??? If so i would be sooooo happy if andrew can control oz, make him wolf out and eat warren (nice payback)
I hope amy doesn't get the chop, she makes a great thorn in the scoobies side. ohh and more simone please.
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Post by Paul on Jun 9, 2009 15:26:47 GMT -5
Killing the core four would be truly shocking, which is why I think there's a good chance it might happen. I would only be okay with it if it was done properly. Buffy - Might be a good ending for the whole series. It'd be hard to top "The Gift" though. Willow - I think we've already seen her true death in the future, which was really cool and tragic. I hope it sticks, but I want to know more about it. Xander - This would really hurt, he's the humanity of the show . Joss has toyed with killing him before, so there's a good chance it'll happen eventually. Giles - Easily the most expendable, Dawn's basically replaced him in the C4. Might be cool to see how Buffy deals with his death. Dawn - Basically one of the C4 now. I think killing her would damage Buffy's character too much, so no thank you.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jun 9, 2009 15:41:49 GMT -5
Killing the core four would be truly shocking, which is why I think there's a good chance it might happen. I would only be okay with it if it was done properly. Buffy - Might be a good ending for the whole series. It'd be hard to top "The Gift" though. Willow - I think we've already seen her true death in the future, which was really cool and tragic. I hope it sticks, but I want to know more about it. Xander - This would really hurt, he's the humanity of the show . Joss has toyed with killing him before, so there's a good chance it'll happen eventually. Giles - Easily the most expendable, Dawn's basically replaced him in the C4. Might be cool to see how Buffy deals with his death. Dawn - Basically one of the C4 now. I think killing her would damage Buffy's character too much, so no thank you. I think Buffy is probably safe from permanent death, since there's a season 9 planned... although I'm still not convinced a season 9 precludes its stars having died (maybe ALL died) at the end of season 8. Season 9 might be what happens to them after they're dead. The Powers-That-Be-as-Big-Bads storyline is one I can't get out of my head. I don't think Willow's ToYL death is going to stick, because one of Buffy's main goals this season will be preventing Willow's future from going in that direction. Will might die in season 8 as an alternative, but I don't think the "evil 200-year-old madwoman" future is going to be her fate in this timeline. Xander and Giles are the most likely to go, I think. I get the sense Dawn isn't going anywhere yet... I think there are long-term plans for her. Faith might die... if she does, I hope it's either saving Buffy's life or doing something heroic that allows the good guys to win the day. Andrew, Satsu, Kennedy... those are the ones Joss will off if he wants to cause some pain without damaging the core dynamic of the series. I just think the sheer scope of this season's end means somebody is going to take a dirt nap.
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Post by Paul on Jun 9, 2009 15:55:43 GMT -5
Killing the core four would be truly shocking, which is why I think there's a good chance it might happen. I would only be okay with it if it was done properly. Buffy - Might be a good ending for the whole series. It'd be hard to top "The Gift" though. Willow - I think we've already seen her true death in the future, which was really cool and tragic. I hope it sticks, but I want to know more about it. Xander - This would really hurt, he's the humanity of the show . Joss has toyed with killing him before, so there's a good chance it'll happen eventually. Giles - Easily the most expendable, Dawn's basically replaced him in the C4. Might be cool to see how Buffy deals with his death. Dawn - Basically one of the C4 now. I think killing her would damage Buffy's character too much, so no thank you. I think Buffy is probably safe from permanent death, since there's a season 9 planned... although I'm still not convinced a season 9 precludes its stars having died (maybe ALL died) at the end of season 8. Season 9 might be what happens to them after they're dead. The Powers-That-Be-as-Big-Bads storyline is one I can't get out of my head. I don't think Willow's ToYL death is going to stick, because one of Buffy's main goals this season will be preventing Willow's future from going in that direction. Will might die in season 8 as an alternative, but I don't think the "evil 200-year-old madwoman" future is going to be her fate in this timeline. Xander and Giles are the most likely to go, I think. I get the sense Dawn isn't going anywhere yet... I think there are long-term plans for her. Faith might die... if she does, I hope it's either saving Buffy's life or doing something heroic that allows the good guys to win the day. Andrew, Satsu, Kennedy... those are the ones Joss will off if he wants to cause some pain without damaging the core dynamic of the series. I just think the sheer scope of this season's end means somebody is going to take a dirt nap. I doubt the PTB would ever be Buffy villains. They're exclusively Angel characters and fit more with the themes of that series. Plus the whole PTB-as-Big-Bad has been done before with Jasmine. I don't think there's ever been any long-term plans for Dawn, I think the writers were stuck with her after S5 and can't kill her off because she's too important to Buffy. I love Dawn, but's she's always been kind of neglected, story-wise. I wouldn't like Faith to die protecting Buffy. Girl's spent her life being defined by Buffy, she's got to die like that as well? She's gaining independance in S8, I'd like her to retain it. Almost everyone outside of the core four (five?) is fair game I think. I'd say Angel and Spike are safe, given their solo titles, and possibly Faith since Scott hinted she might be getting her own book. *prays*
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Post by Rebecca on Jun 9, 2009 16:00:15 GMT -5
Was the First not a Power that Be? Or was The First above them? I'm confused.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jun 9, 2009 16:03:19 GMT -5
Was the First not a Power that Be? Or was The First above them? I'm confused. I haven't read this thread, to avoid spoilers, but my understanding was always that The Powers That Be wasn't a level of power, it was a group, or something. And I don't think they'd let the First join.
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Post by Wyndam on Jun 9, 2009 16:09:24 GMT -5
Was the First not a Power that Be? Or was The First above them? I'm confused. The First is its own thing. The First evil in that all evil is rooted in The First.
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Post by Rebecca on Jun 9, 2009 16:11:47 GMT -5
I dunno... I always kinda put them on the same level, connected somehow. Like with the two demons in the beginning of Fray.
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Post by Paul on Jun 9, 2009 16:27:53 GMT -5
I dunno... I always kinda put them on the same level, connected somehow. Like with the two demons in the beginning of Fray. Those were Old Ones. Old Ones, the First, and The Powers That Be are all distinct entities as far as I know. The Powers That Be were God-like beings that lived on Earth. They were driven out of Earth into another dimension by the Old Ones (giant demons, basically), who were presumably created by the First Evil. I guess they're all connected, but they're still different.
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Post by Rebecca on Jun 9, 2009 16:31:43 GMT -5
Wow, I've never heard it put like that. Thanks
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Post by Paul on Jun 9, 2009 16:38:26 GMT -5
No problem. I've always been fascinated by all the prehistoric Buffyverse mythology. I loved the flashback scenes in Fray where we saw the First Slayer and the Old Ones in all their glory. One of the benefits of the comic book medium.
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Post by Rebecca on Jun 9, 2009 17:15:44 GMT -5
I find it quite interesting as well! I just could figure out the relationship between the entities introduced separately but seemingly connected. I should probably watch Angel again (darn not owning it!) You said that the PTB were banished from this dimension by the Old Ones... wouldn't that make the PTBs basically Old Ones just in another dimension?
But going back to what was said about the PTB in Buffy... In Fray we see that "flashback" of the final battle which banished magic from Earth.. I assume to another dimension. Isn't that similar to what the Old Ones did to the PTB? I wonder if Willow's whole "It's not how you die, it's who kills you" thing comes into play... like perhaps she kills Twilight and releases his power, opening a portal that sucks everything magical into it, including Willow, Buffy, and the rest of the Slayerettes. Willow would never die, but Buffy would eventually, and it would be all Willow's fault. That would be in line with both TOYL and Fray, and then the PTBs could play a major role in S9. Again, that's all assuming the "final battle" takes place at the end of S8.
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Post by Emmie on Jun 9, 2009 17:16:03 GMT -5
Those were Old Ones. Old Ones, the First, and The Powers That Be are all distinct entities as far as I know. The Powers That Be were God-like beings that lived on Earth. They were driven out of Earth into another dimension by the Old Ones (giant demons, basically), who were presumably created by the First Evil. I guess they're all connected, but they're still different. Where does it say that the Old Ones drove out the Powers That Be? I don't remember ever learning anything exact about the PTB's origins. My understanding is that the demons shown in Fray weren't PTB necessarily if that's what you're referring to.
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Post by BlueJay on Jun 9, 2009 17:19:21 GMT -5
Fray was awesome. Should be a movie.
You know, there should be a miniseries taking place during the time of the Old Ones.
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