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Post by Emmie on Jun 10, 2009 23:45:14 GMT -5
Xi, regarding the idea of Faith and Buffy both having to die. Part of my own personal theory regarding the upsetting of the Slayer line was that when Willow resurrected Buffy, she resurrected the "warrior of the people" and reactivated her ability to have the Chosen line run through her too. So it's only at this juncture that the Slayer line is split between Buffy and Faith, because Willow's spell upset the balance. This is why Buffy's death in the Gift didn't call another Slayer - the active energy/magic/whathaveyou that is embodied in The Slayer had already left Buffy. But when Willow resurrected Buffy, she brought back this power within Buffy.
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Post by wenxina on Jun 11, 2009 0:02:26 GMT -5
Xi, regarding the idea of Faith and Buffy both having to die. Part of my own personal theory regarding the upsetting of the Slayer line was that when Willow resurrected Buffy, she resurrected the "warrior of the people" and reactivated her ability to have the Chosen line run through her too. So it's only at this juncture that the Slayer line is split between Buffy and Faith, because Willow's spell upset the balance. This is why Buffy's death in the Gift didn't call another Slayer - the active energy/magic/whathaveyou that is embodied in The Slayer had already left Buffy. But when Willow resurrected Buffy, she brought back this power within Buffy. It's an interesting theory, but it would require one to assume that the resurrection spell not only brought Buffy back, but at the expense of Faith... as a part of the Slayer legacy that was rightfully hers was taken away and halved. That has serious implications as that would be yet another example of a "rape" of sorts. However, as Buffy still retained the typical abilities of a Slayer post-first death, I find it hard to imagine that any part of the Slayer essence did not remain intact. In other words, I find it easier to believe that Buffy and the Scoobies were still fuzzy about how the Slayer transmission worked (since it's a fairly unique case to have two active Slayers), hence her claim that her death may activate another girl. mathieu: No, I don't know where you can find all four versions of the shooting script. They are probably out there, and I'm pretty sure I've seen sites with shooting scripts. I'm not sure if they'll have all the drafts though.
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Post by Rebecca on Jun 11, 2009 11:07:20 GMT -5
I would have thought that Buffy's Slayer-lineage was removed when she died in Prophecy Girl.
At that moment, Kendra was called. When Kendra died, Faith was called. I believe that's why Buffy's death in "The Gift" didn't call another slayer... we already had Faith. I also don't think that that Slayer-lineage was inherent in Buffy post-resurrection either. Willow's spell to activate all Potentials had zero to do with Buffy herself as a lineage holder, and I haven't seen anything to make me think otherwise. In fact, that may explain the disconnect she feels with regard to the Slayerettes, because she is not part of the lineage that every other slayer is part of. In my mind, if Buffy died today of natural cause (assuming all potentials weren't activated), no one would be called.
I think the most obvious upset of the slayer line was calling all potentials, and I haven't seen anything to make me believe there was more to the upset... it was a pretty big deal in swaying the balance of good and evil toward the good guys.
That said, the only plausible theory I can think of that would explain the pause in the slayer line for over two hundred years between Faith and Melaka would be the Fraypocolypse and the banishing of magic from this dimension.
Those two things, the unbalance between good and evil and the banishing of all magic in the Fraypocalypse, are not unrelated imo.
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Post by Nicholas on Jun 12, 2009 16:28:32 GMT -5
Rebecca, I do agree with what you are saying, but couldnt that cause an inconsistancy considering if when Buffy died the second time, she came back and was still a Slayer. The Slayer power shouldnt have returned with her, correct?
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Post by wenxina on Jun 12, 2009 17:12:54 GMT -5
Rebecca, I do agree with what you are saying, but couldnt that cause an inconsistancy considering if when Buffy died the second time, she came back and was still a Slayer. The Slayer power shouldnt have returned with her, correct? If that's the argument to be made, then wouldn't the fact that she came back the first time and thoroughly wiped the floor with the Master's pleather-clad ass be an inconsistency too? The Slayer essence is not something that can only exist in a singular entity. The fact that Buffy, Kendra, and Faith all shared it before Buffy got Willow to change the rules indicates that it is able to inhabit different hosts at the same time. It's not typical, but that's the way it rolls. The matter of dilution of power is another matter altogether, but I honestly don't believe that the power is diluted as it is spread out. The main reason being that the feminist message that was so inspirational in "Chosen" is "My power becomes our power"; in other words, sharing power doesn't weaken one, but rather makes one stronger.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jun 16, 2009 13:30:08 GMT -5
Re: the actor who's going to write a Buffy comic for DH.
Announcements like that usually happen at the San Diego ComicCon (late July). And Felicia Day just tweeted that she and the other Guild people will be at ComicCon.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jul 6, 2009 7:36:46 GMT -5
So, July Q&A is complete. Interesting points:
1. There is an animated project in the works, but the specifics that have been talked about online are not accurate. Does that mean it's not going to be a "motion comic" but a real animated series? And will it be based on season 8?
2. Confirmation that human authorities are now hunting Slayers. Apparently some governments are working with Twilight and some aren't. Scott's response to the question about Simone working for Twilight makes me think she is doing so, and the reason there was no government response to her taking over that town is because the Italian government was in on it.
The demons attacking the Scotland castle had one tank, and some military-type ammunition like napalm and grenades. That stuff might have been stolen or it might have come from Gen. Voll's group, but I assume that if the British military was allied with Twilight, there would have been some human troops there and more modern equipment, including aircraft. So I'm assuming the British government is not allied with Twilight.
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Post by Emmie on Jul 6, 2009 16:52:05 GMT -5
Yeah, it was a great session.
1. Also interesting how it's FOX who's got something in the works. Curiouser and curiouser.
2. I wish the human involvement were being made more clear. It's been a long time since we've seen the army guys from LWH and NFFY. I think they need to more clearly show their involvement here.
Good call on the tanks being used. And I've been playing with the idea that Simone is allied with Twilight myself.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jul 6, 2009 20:53:28 GMT -5
1. Also interesting how it's FOX who's got something in the works. Curiouser and curiouser. Well, Fox would have to be involved... but it's interesting that it seems to be their idea, rather than just OKing somebody else's project. Having it be something better than "motion comics" would be excellent. And since Scott is privy to it, it must involve season 8 somehow. Maybe Fox is trying to steal the Kuzuis' thunder by getting a Buffy film project out there first, Joss-approved. Making an animated series out of season 8, with all or most of the original actors doing their voices, would make me one exceptionally happy Buffy fan. 2. I wish the human involvement were being made more clear. It's been a long time since we've seen the army guys from LWH and NFFY. I think they need to more clearly show their involvement here. Good call on the tanks being used. And I've been playing with the idea that Simone is allied with Twilight myself. Heh. Poor Scott. I'm sure he just loves it when I ask him questions where even saying "No spoiler" would be a spoiler. Apparently we're going to see Riley again before the arc is over. I wonder if we'll find out what became of General Voll. I don't think we've seen him since he shot Ethan. (Supposedly). I suspected something was up with Simone since she acted so over-the-top mwa-ha-ha eeeevil with Buffy and Andrew. It just didn't match what we'd seen of her before. I think she was playing a part... and it was no accident that Joss and Drew had her headquarters in a theater.
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Post by drgreenevil on Jul 7, 2009 0:19:45 GMT -5
Conspiracy theory again....
But that cartoon announcement makes me feel even more like Fox is following the superhero format that WB/DC and Marvel does when they release a movie. Release a movie which is followed soon before or soon after with a related cartoon. Plus they probably think that if they can appease the existing Buffy fanbase, yall won't make such a complete fuss if the new movie comes out.
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Post by vampmogs on Jul 7, 2009 4:47:48 GMT -5
Like Emmie I thought it was interesting how FOX seems more behind this than Darkhorse. If Scott Allie knows about it chances are that means the comics are related somehow though. Fingers crossed for a real, genuine animated season 8. Possibly a straight to DVD kinda thing. Each episode is one arc… ok I’m dreaming but c’mon. How AWESOME would that be? I’d love to see the comics translated into live action.
I think Allie certainly implied that Simone is working for Twilight. And AndrewCrossett great catch that Simone was held up in a theatre! Brilliant!
I do wish the "human authorities are after them!" thing was a bit more explained in the actual comics though. That's a bit poor, I hope it becomes more clear as the arc progressed. I assumed that was the case but I don’t think I should have to.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jul 7, 2009 7:35:47 GMT -5
I wonder if the animated project might be something like the "Hellboy" animated movies that were done after the success of the live-action movie. They were made for TV and DVD release, got very good reviews, and used the voices of the movie cast, including Ron Perlman and Selma Blair. Guillermo Del Toro was creative producer.
Doing season 8 as a series of animated 90-minute movies... one movie per arc, all executive produced by Joss... would be ideal.
And, of course, they'd have to do a "Fray" movie so people know what's going on in ToYL.
Sigh... must avoid getting hopes up.
ETA: By doing these as made-for-TV-and-DVD movies, they would get around the fact that the Kuzuis own the rights to theatrical Buffy movies.
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Post by Wyndam on Jul 7, 2009 11:08:03 GMT -5
I would love, love, love direct to video animated movies in the vein of the Hellboy movies or even the great DC movies that have been coming out lately (Wonder Woman was just awesome).
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Post by hitnrun017 on Jul 7, 2009 12:55:40 GMT -5
I'm not going to get my hopes up for something BIG, but that little piece of information is just too good. I'm not sure I'd want it to be just an animated version of Season 8. What would be the point of getting the comics then? But an actual animated movie would be amazing and perfect. Maybe even the seven scripts for the Animated Series. That would also be amazing.
Ok, now I have to get un-amped up and expect something little like a Motion Comic.
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Post by parabola on Jul 20, 2009 20:00:30 GMT -5
Since it's Scott Allie-related, I thought this might be worth discussing in this thread ... he's posted a new note in the DH Buffy Zone. Some highlights: - shout-out to SlayAlive!
- "cool" (vs. big) Joss announcements at DH panel, 11am Saturday
- look for con coverage on DH's site, Newsarama, CBR and Buffyfest
- Jane Espenson and Karl Moline will have a 2pg story in the next Dark Horse Presents ... which unfortunately won't hit at the beggining of August; sounds like they're still sorting out logistical issues
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Post by wenxina on Jul 20, 2009 20:25:48 GMT -5
Cool update. Thanks for posting, parabola. Nice to know that Allie's not above being coy; i.e. "cool" vs big. lol The Espenson/Moline pairing sounds truly fascinating... beginning to love that S8 is taking advantage of the whole webcomic format. More bang for your buck, I guess.
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Post by Emmie on Jul 20, 2009 20:40:24 GMT -5
I'm curious about how Scott and DH views the profitability for a webcomic versus the print. It kinda feels like a question we've perhaps had before... We have too many questions. I can't keep track and I run the thing!
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Post by hitnrun017 on Jul 20, 2009 20:41:11 GMT -5
Awesome! More Harmony please.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jul 20, 2009 20:42:53 GMT -5
we won't be announcing Twilight's identity, or another Tara appearance, or that #31 will be the last issue."It will be... we just won't be announcing it." Ha... he referenced my question on the official DH site. I feel like a celebrity! How pathetic. Anyway, cool Joss announcements. I guess if there's news of an animated Buffy season 8, it won't be announced at the Con, since that would qualify as "big" news. So maybe... Another Serenity comic? The Shepherd Book one, finally? Details on the Willow one-shot? Hardcover omnibus collections? A new one-shot or miniseries by a cast member? Felicia? I sooo want to see her write a funny Vi comic. Another Espenson/Moline MDHP? Can we assume it will be another Harmony short? Georges will be at the convention, which means we probably won't get the rest of his Q&A answers anytime soon.
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Post by wenxina on Jul 20, 2009 20:51:41 GMT -5
I'm curious about how Scott and DH views the profitability for a webcomic versus the print. It kinda feels like a question we've perhaps had before... We have too many questions. I can't keep track and I run the thing! Well, they do publish anthologies of the MDHP comics, so I guess they do make some cash out of there. There's no way they can sell any of those 2-pagers for anything more than $1... Maybe when they start selling comic books on iTunes, they can charge us $0.99 a pop. EDIT: I've applied gentle pressure on Jeanty, and he said he would try to get them to us soon. But Andrew's probably right, we probably won't get the rest of his answers too soon.
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