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Post by Skeptic on Apr 26, 2009 11:56:26 GMT -5
Fox meddling at the start of the show (making it more engagement-of-the-week) also didn't help - in my own private oppinion, I think they doomed the show for it I do agree... it was just a bad way to kick off this show. To some degree I'm still surprised that Fox meddled, but I suppose when it really comes down to it, I expected it. I wanted to hope things have somehow miraculously changed overnight in Hollywood, but they haven't and won't. The bottom line is money, and the people who run the business are not artists, and are not working for the art, they are business owners and they want/need to make money. I own a musical estate and let me tell ya, it's not fun dealing with these people. They're interested in representing you and paying you because your art will bring them money. The business of creativity, that's what it is. Anyway, add the Friday night time slot to it, and the lessened advertising, and it's as if they're trying to drive it down anyway.
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 25, 2009 21:52:56 GMT -5
Yuck - once more - Canada can't watch it online - FOX.com ( )is only for US residents! Is Hulu blocked in Canada?
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 25, 2009 21:50:30 GMT -5
Yes, but would Kennedy assume that having sex would execute Willow's plan, normally? What sort of plan is executed with sex? It's not exactly the 'Chosen' we're all gonna die, so lets have sex. It seemed out of context for me that a conflicted Willow would tell Kennedy she wanted to have sex to execute her plan, and Kennedy would say 'Oh that's not weird at all.' Perhaps its just out of context for me or I'm off completely, it just seemed like there could have been an explanation on Willow's part right there for how her plan to contact help needed Kennedy. Yes! Exactly! Thank you. Karma! You summed up the straws I've been blindly grasping at in the dark. I need those straws, man. Without them I'm just flying blind and jumping to conclusions and and mixing my metaphors. I have been unable to articulate the exactness of the goings-on where it concerns W/K/SV. I am only sure of one thing: some thing is happening. What, who it involves, what it involves, why, or who knows about it, is a mystery to me. Is this a case of unclear storytelling, or climactic storytelling where all has yet to be revealed, or censored storytelling (where they could not elaborate)? Is it possible they've had to "tone down" the possible SV/Willow sex storyline because of the Buffy/Satsu one? I'm just asking questions... grasping... not trying to be dense or incite anything. I'm genuinely curious about what's happening with my Scoobies. I'm hoping that it's one of those yet-to-be-revealed plots, though, and not a case of "tone it down" or unclear storytelling.
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 25, 2009 21:34:42 GMT -5
Thats what I said lol. But I only in less detail Not quite. But I get you.
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 24, 2009 13:09:56 GMT -5
OMG I don't know how to add preview pics but they're up! And they're awesome. whedonesque.com/comments/20008That's them - and yes, they do look awesome! There's not much in the photos, but it's enough to make me start wondering what's happening! I'm wondering that, too. Seriously bad if it is - because Sierra and November are as badass as Echo is. Something tells me the finale is really going to be an epic cliffhanger... And kinda wondering if "Epitaph One" ties into that even remotely.
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 23, 2009 18:38:48 GMT -5
Well... that's pretty presumptuous. You know what they say about assuming things (or assuming that people are assuming things)... The story about Eliza having signed into a contract with Fox ( link), talking about it with Joss over lunch one day, and him being a bit grumbly with the idea, and then getting the idea for "Dollhouse" while on a potty break, and working it out with Eliza later over the table, is old news (and probably by now a Whedon legend, being scribbled about in some hallowed halls somewhere on a mountain, into leather bound books by blind, mute Whedon cultists in itchy robes). Happened many moons ago, and Joss and Eliza spoke about it in some of the video interviews I watched while the show was still in development. But for those who've never heard the story, here are the basics, straight from the horse's mouth ( link): Can you tell me how this all came about? Through a rather time-honored tradition called "lunch." Eliza had her deal with Fox, and we went to lunch, as we sometimes do, to talk about her career and what her next step should be. Like, do I know writers, and what was the best way to protect herself, and what type of show. Eliza and I do this sometimes, because she's a friend and a great talent, and that's easily misused. She was trying to protect herself, and I was trying to get a free lunch. In the middle of lunch, I came up with the idea of this show and the title by accident.
Tell me this isn't that easy for you...that it just came to you in between bites. I went to the bathroom and came back and said, "I figured it out." So, there it is. It took longer than between bites. It came so organically through our conversation, and what I know she is capable of, and what she was talking about and what people were expecting of her. It just kinda happened, and when it happens like that and it has a title, that's a big deal—if it has a title, you can't just turn your back on it. So, I told her, and she freaked out, and I told her I was busy with these films I am trying to set up, but Fox is interested, and Fox said let's do seven episodes instead of a pilot, and here I am.
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 23, 2009 9:29:00 GMT -5
Right now it's: Heather Nova - Not Only Human ( listen) First heard it on an X-Files fan video (I can't find the vid on the web anymore, but it's an amazing vid about Scully's spiritual journey and brushes with death and extraterrestrial life... I have the vid on my HDD, and I'd be happy to share, just PM me) Lately the song has been reminding me of Battlestar Galactica... and specifically the season 4 ep "Someone To Watch Over Me". I think if you know the show, saw the ep, and heard the song, you'd probably get it.
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 23, 2009 9:20:07 GMT -5
oh so eliza had the contract before the show was created? Yes. Eliza and Joss cooked up the show over lunch one afternoon, after she'd told him she'd signed a multi-year contract with Fox. I'm sure when she said that he probably did a mental forehead-slap and the whole Firefly debacle came rushing back. I can only imagine.
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 22, 2009 22:12:09 GMT -5
If they were airing the Prison Break double in hopes that some of the orphaned Dollhouse viewers would be there to help pick up the slack, it was misguided. I just watched a movie on my DVR instead. Also, the break, and PB double ep instead of a new DH, probably won't do anything to bolster viewer ratings anyway. As it is, the only TV viewing numbers that count are the Nielsens, and there's only (at least) 12,000 of them (out of, what, 200 million TV viewers?), so it's not even worth it to waste my time watching TV anyway. I watch the show on Hulu on Saturday afternoon, though.
Hulu is owned by NBC and Fox, btw.
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 22, 2009 21:54:28 GMT -5
I'm watching for the Joss-factor. Eliza's a bonus, but she's not the reason I tuned in.
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 22, 2009 21:51:43 GMT -5
Nope. Joss brought the gig to Fox because Eliza was stuck in a contract with them, which he hated the idea of (not only because of his experience with Firefly, but because Eliza's not known for making great career choices). So he pitched it, they bought it, he made it.
He pretty much only went back into the fray for Eliza's sake, not because he was in a weird, abusive relationship with Fox.
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 22, 2009 21:42:24 GMT -5
There not even going to show the full season. It was announced that it is unlikely that they are going to show episode 13 I think you're most likely referring to the mysterious 14th episode, the one that takes place post-apocalypse with a different cast. There's also another episode, the pilot, which was never shown, which has been poached a lot for filler for the other eps, so obviously that won't be shown (the suits wanted to show it, but suits aren't very bright, so Joss had to explain why it can't be shown). That leaves them with 12 episodes out of a contracted 13, which makes the 14th episode #13. The 12th episode, "Omega", is the season finale and it will air. The 14th episode, "Epitaph One" is now the 13th episode, which Joss would like Fox to air but they're undecided on/not choosing to air. They'll probably stick "Epitaph One" on the DVD set, though, since the DVD set has to have 13 episodes as part of the contract. Once again, leave it to Fox to fux things up beyond recognition. This is what happens when you let MBA's make creative decisions. Network suits are about as smart as a box of hair when it comes to this stuff. I think Felicia Day had a part in that one, too.
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 22, 2009 21:32:26 GMT -5
The only solid information we have is that Willow used Kennedy sexually to access Saga Vasuki, I still have yet to figure out how I miss this bit of info but everyone else seems to get it. I've never been able to figure out what Willow's doing with Saga - okay, I can assume sex, but it's not really clear to me... The rest? That she's supposedly having sex with Kennedy to connect with Saga? And who/what/why/how is this Saga person/creature, anyway? And why/how is Willow close to her, or talking to her, or having sex with her, etc.? Out of all the things in S8, this ranks way up there as one of the most confusing and thus frustrating for me.
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 19, 2009 13:09:57 GMT -5
My ex was a big, big comic book collector, and actually got me to read a few of them. I remember the ones I liked the best were the ones with the dark themes and best writing, and of course the art (for me) was best when it was not cartoony, but shadowed and shaded and more lifelike. I would have to actually sit down and think about some of the titles he showed me, but ones I remember right off the bat were Grendel, The Crow, Faust, and stuff by Neil Gaiman. That's about it when it comes to my experience with comic books, though, so I'm not a good judge of what's what or anything, either. Good writing? Nice art? All I do is use a general rule of thumb, but I really have nothing to compare Season Eight to, aside from some vague memories of some genre stuff.
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 18, 2009 22:02:54 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to read the letter col for #24 one day.
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 18, 2009 14:17:40 GMT -5
No. Riff Reagan to me was not fat. I have seen fat. People riding around in the motorized shopping carts at Walmart because they weigh 700 lbs., now that's fat. Riff Reagan was cardboard, that was Riff Reagan's problem. You can sit there and say it all you like, why you think I'm saying such and such, but I'm gonna tell you straight up: she was boring.
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 18, 2009 11:07:27 GMT -5
I know nothing of the comic world but I'm wondering why one of the top 10 writers in the whole business couldn't capture the characters here. Was he just rushed maybe? I've noticed the artwork is starting to also look slightly rushed (I saw a thread around here somewhere about that).
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 15, 2009 22:14:02 GMT -5
Scott Allie said in the last Q&A that the "blast" was just a light show caused by the demon's energy being released as it died. I totally missed that it was JUST a light show and not, like, a bigass explosion. Just. Not. Clear. Giles should have at least stated the obvious again. Liiike... "You killed the demon with a crossbow then there was light coming out of it." Yeah, that woulda worked for me. ;D (Please, I'm ready for Jane now!)
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 15, 2009 17:11:02 GMT -5
Well yesterday, it was "Take A Bow" by Muse. I think I got it all out of my system, though. Need a new song to obsess over.
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 15, 2009 11:07:43 GMT -5
Sarah as Cordelia: I don't have such a big problem with that - she played Catherine in Cruel Intentions, who is probably way richer and certainly way more evil than Cordy ever was, so she could have pulled off snappy rich bitch quite well i reckon. Perhaps I should rephrase: Sarah as Cordelia would mean someone else as Buffy. I can imagine a few actresses in the role, but Buffy's always gonna be Sarah.
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