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Post by Skeptic on Mar 16, 2009 22:44:40 GMT -5
Right now, for me, Warren/Amy is almost as interesting as watching Harmony do talk shows and bite Andy Dick. Which is to say, not at all. I forgot about them and their evil plot to ruin Willow and/or Buffy, it has no bearing on my perception of the S8 story except for the following.
The flub of bringing Warren back is pretty glaring. I remember being stunned when I saw him - more or less wondering if someone had forgotten that he'd died, then went up like a match stick, and that was that. Leaving Willow forever changed.
Also, I think it's important what Willow went through at the end of S6, and part of that is her having murdered another human being. That is an enormous stepping stone in her path, not just in her use/abuse of magic, but just in her being Willow. Willow killed someone. Her moving through that guilt (and fear of the powers that possessed her) has now been retconned with a silly story that really went nowhere.
So, no, that didn't work for me and it won't work for me in the future. Warren was interesting when he was in the Trio; but on his own (ie, w/o Trio), he's annoying and silly. I'd much rather it be that he died, and Willow lives forever with that knowledge, because it's important that she does so. Not that he died, was snatched back to life 3 seconds later by a kook, is supported by the US Army, and lives in a magical bubble building mystical rockets and plotting his revenge and yadda yadda.
IMO, because of the nature of the comics medium, and that issues are naturally extremely brief, spending time on stuff like this, when it's not creating a path to the next arc, just causes a loss of focus. The "episodes" should spend more time on Buffy, honestly. It's titled "Buffy Season Eight" but we haven't gotten much about her at all in a while. I feel stuck watching everyone else, but very little Buffy. I feel Buffy-deprived. I hardly know what she's doing, what she's thinking about, unless she's involved in someone else's plot and I get glimpses. I'd like an arc of extreme Buffy-ness, focusing far less on everybody else and their cousin Jed, and that's high on my wishlist.
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Post by Skeptic on Mar 16, 2009 18:45:37 GMT -5
Ha he says he'll work with Sarah again one day and everyone automatically thinks Buffy movie. We are a crazy fandom. I hope he works with Sarah one day on anything. Buffy, Dollhouse, destroying FOX, new projects...anything. Maybe put her in a revival of Firefly, then. *wink* I keed, I keed. Honestly, Joss or not, I just love to see her in anything worthy of her talent. I have to admit it'd be nice to see her on TV again. I wanted it to be Sarah. Even if it's not Sarah, it was fun to speculate.
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Post by Skeptic on Mar 15, 2009 22:50:27 GMT -5
A few thoughts: Xander totally had it going on in S5 with the bulgy muscles, tight shirts, and a curly shag of hair (complete with sexy Superboy curl on the forehead). This is my favorite Xander. I picture him in S8 getting back to that, what with rocking the Nick Fury. Buffy had great hair in S4. I loved her hair most of the time, especially those little folded ponytail thingies she always did when her hair was long enough. But I loved her hair the most when it was the quintessential Buffy blonde. The honey Slayer in S6 was still sexy, but when the blonde came back in S7, I can't say I didn't dig it for being back. There are moments in S7 when Buffy totally looks like herself a few years earlier (small and lost) (and I think it's done on purpose), and I think the hair is a big part of it. Also... the Buffy in S7 wears a lot of black. The black and the blonde = hot. Also, I am blonde-crazy. Spike - firmly S7. He was crazy but looked great, especially in the beginning with the softened features and mussed hair (makeup dept. did a great job) to go with the new soul. Also, he wore normal clothes, which is kind of a novelty with Spike. Spike =/= normal street clothes. I liked it a lot. Willow - when her hair's long and straight, I like it. I think the highlight of the long, straight Willow hair was S6. That was the year of the Willow hair. Giles - I think he looked the best in S4, but I also like his slightly more Marlboro Man look of S7. Oh, and when he opened the Magic Box in S6, he was really rocking the tweed suits and looking rather dashing.
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Post by Skeptic on Mar 15, 2009 22:12:45 GMT -5
I've been watching a few eps from S7 tonight. I watched Conversations, and Bring On the Night, and now I'm near the end of Showtime. I have a lot of thoughts that I can't adequately sum up because I'm really wonky (pain meds) (and btw, if any of this sounds weird, that might be the reason) but, this is the gist of it:
All of their trust wavered like mad before Buffy showed them that the unstoppable ubervamps were stoppable in Showtime. Then they all backed her because she'd demonstrated her skill. She took a beating and a half to get there, but she snapped that crusty's head off in the end with a piece of wire.
If you want my opinion, nobody fought as hard or as dirty to fight off the Bringers and ubervamps, as Buffy did. Everybody just wanted to act like it really wasn't going to happen, like they all wouldn't need to be exactly that tough and bloody to get there. Some put in good effort, but I don't believe that any of them, Scoobies (and Giles) included, believed exactly what they were facing. It's one thing to read it in books, and see someone else doing it. It's quite another to actually do it.
So when it got too real for them, later in Empty Places, and they weren't organized because they didn't understand the threat and didn't train accordingly, that's when they got their mob mentality on and threw their only protector into the tiger pits.
But in Showtime, they backed her once they saw. They were afraid, and disbelieving of both the strength of what they were facing, and of Buffy's ability to kick its supernatural ass, and that's why she took such harsh measures to a) prove that ubervamps could be killed and b) prove that she knew what she was doing. Once they saw, you'd think they would have changed, though, and actually started believing that they had to get ready to fight hard and nasty, down to the last woman standing and all that... but they still behaved like a bunch of ill-organized, silly, sometimes rude, power-tripping nubs. And once Caleb came into the picture, and he really showed them the power of believing, that's when they decided it was Buffy's fault everyone was dying.
The First was very effective that way. It undermined Buffy's entire plan and made her potentials perpetually open to attack and shook her own beliefs to the core. It made her question whether or not she could go on. And it almost succeeded - and might have, if not for Spike, and to an extent, Faith, who were the only voices of reason once Buffy wasn't allowed any more.
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Post by Skeptic on Mar 15, 2009 13:26:30 GMT -5
Episode 1 - 4.7 million, 2.0 in 18-49 demo. Episode 2 - 4.2 million, 1.7 in 18-49 demo. Episode 3 - 4.1 million, 1.6 in 18-49 demo. Episode 4 - 3.5 million, 1.5 in 18-49 demo. Episode 5- 4.42 million, 1.5 in the 18-49 demo.Wow, that's surprising... where did all the viewers come from and why? I have several theories but none very satisfying to me. Given that the demographic is so wide, I'm not sure the addition of almost a million viewers makes sense with no change in the demographic viewers. Unless the extra 750,000 viewers are all baby boomers, or high schoolers... Edit: Thanks Emmie for the revision to 1.6 in the demo. That makes more sense now! But then, I'm not a TV numbers gal. There are people they pay to extrapolate and explain all these things, and I'm sure they'll be reasoning this. (Thanks to all in this thread who've explained it.) Since ep 6 marks the point where Fox got off Joss' back, I wonder if the demo will go up as interested viewers return to the show?
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Post by Skeptic on Mar 13, 2009 11:20:25 GMT -5
I agree. The First was all about dividing them so that they fall, and sometimes that meant to tell the dirty truth. You know, the truth is sometimes far more painful than the alternative. And to an extent, even a great extent, it succeeded. But in the end, Buffy was able to reunite everyone under her banner and that's what defeated the First. Well, that and the Hellmouth was esploded, which put a temporary kibosh on its plans.
Telling the truth often suited the First's means. It got right to the most painful heart of the matter. In Dawn's case, it was her fear of being abandoned by Buffy (irony is funny). In Faith's case, it was her fear that Buffy would never love her. And so on. All these small little seeds of doubt and fear add up after time, and cause the First's mission be manifested on its own.
Another reason why kicking Buffy out was wrong and misguided on so, so many levels. Buffy's the only one that didn't fall for all that hooey. Sure, she wavered but in the end, she knew they were tricks and what those tricks were trying to do. Which makes it even crazier that she had to take care of these people, who later turned their back completely on her and threw her to the wolves - which is exactly what the First wanted.
This ep left me with such a raw, pissed-off feeling. I can't believe it hasn't changed even a tiny little bit since I first saw it on air!
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Post by Skeptic on Mar 11, 2009 10:50:29 GMT -5
So, since I'm a noob with the comics thing, are Tales considered canon? BtVS S8 is the first comic series I've ever ever read, and I did so because it's the canon continuation of the show. This is totally new territory for me. Should I pick up Tales also?
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Post by Skeptic on Mar 11, 2009 10:21:57 GMT -5
Dollhouse hasn't even aired over here and Joss and others are talking of abandonning it. I don't think Joss is talking about abandoning it. He's sunk a lot of effort into this and the last thing he'd want to do is simply walk away. However, he (like a lot of fans) is frustrated with the business end of the schtick saying what the artistic end can and can't do. The least it does is make for erratic storytelling when that happens, but as we've seen before in Joss' case (and other times, with other creators), it's also the recipe for show death. I've no doubt he would abandon TV. Sheesh, the way TV's been lately, I've abandoned it. Try and look at the bright side: if he leaves TV, it just means he's going to be able to turn his entire attention toward making web series.... serieses... shows. More Dr. Horrible. Yay! DH is what you get when Joss is in control of making Joss' shows. And hey, my lame fantasy is that he'll figure out how to make a short web series about slayers, to go with the Buffy Season 8 comics. (Hey, a girl can dream! ) My sentiments as well. But let's not put the cart before the horse yet. I go back and forth on whether or not I think the show's going to tank or float, but my hope is that by the end of the season, the eps will increase in quality, the word will get around the fandom, and people will come back to see the season finale, and the numbers will slightly improve.
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Post by Skeptic on Mar 8, 2009 23:12:30 GMT -5
I really enjoyed that! Thanks for porting it over here. I wish I had the time to write in my LJ, because I have a metric frak ton of Buffy thoughts I need to sort out and it'd be cool to post them for the masses. I opened the blog and had a chance to put a profile pic and that was it!
I agree with what Stormwreath said about Buffy's progression. I see her as a sea of many emotions, and she ebbs and flows with the weather just like the rest of us. It fascinates me, the emotional journey she's been on, and is still on in Season 8. Season 8, I'd argue (no spoilers) has seen more emotional change in her than any other season and is worth a lot more in-depth examination. Unfortunately I'm such a newb to the world of comic books that I'm still learning how to "read" them, meaning I have to read them a few times before it really sinks in. Helps to read other people's interpretation of scenes, and somewhere on the webz somebody was posting transcript versions of the comics that were a huge help in just understanding what was going on. Lost the link...
Anyway, there is no way Buffy can be the same person from season to season. Even admidst-season, she is changed in subtle ways from what you might have seen just half a season ago. You know, that's just life, too - we change every day, in minute ways. In a year, the change is noticeable. It may be major, all-encompassing change, or it may just be a component of something else that stayed the same. Buffy changed, grew, matured about as I expected over the years and if she'd stayed the same from season to season I think I would have never have cottoned on to this show as hard as I did.
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Post by Skeptic on Mar 8, 2009 20:56:55 GMT -5
Oh, I have a thing for making mixes. I've been doing this since like 1980. LOL But picking a single song, now that's difficult! Seriously, I do have a lot of songs in mind for the Buffy and Angel gang. Here are a few (Youtube links when possible!): - Angel - VAST - I'm Dying
Not one day goes by that i don't realize I know that no one will ever know where the flowers go when they are gone Not one day goes by that i don't know that I'm dying And I want to say you all are, too.
- Wesley & Lilah/Fred - Tori Amos - Father's Son
So it ends So it begins I'm my father's son So it ends So it begins I'm my father's son Plant another seed of hate In another father's son
- Angel & Buffy - Elbow - The Stops
Don't look down Keep staring like you've never seen the stops If you need me to remind you who you are Little blossom there's the shiniest soul Just behind those eyes
- Buffy & Spike - Concrete Blonde - I Don't Need A Hero
You always said I was a liar But we burn like a house on fire. No matter what, you know that to be true...
- Faith and Buffy - Johnette Napolitano - Scarred
And I will never be the same. That's alright. As long I can breathe and I can move and I can sleep at night... I can sleep at night...
- Giles (and the Council) - Paul McCartney - Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey
Were so sorry Uncle Albert, But we havent done a bloody thing all day. Were so sorry, Uncle Albert, But the kettle's on the boil and were so easily called away.
- Buffy - Calexico - Quattro (World Drifts In)
Decide to fall or run into the eye of the storm No sign or omen make it right Or fall to the other side where fields are burning From the day you're born you'll always hit the ground running.
- Spike & Buffy vs. Spike & Harmony - James - Laid
Moved out of the house, so you moved next door I locked you out, you cut a hole in the wall I found you sleeping next to me, I thought I was alone You're driving me crazy, when are you coming home?
- Willow & Oz - The Flys - Got You Where I Want You
I think you’re smart You sweet thing Tell me your name I’m dying here
- Xander & Anya - Alanis Morrisette - Precious Illusions
I've spent so long firmly looking outside me I've spent so much time living in survival mode (I can't take credit for thinking of this for them... I actually saw it on a fan vid a few years ago and since then it's always been their song!)
Then here's an unfinished mix for Firefly that I'm still working on:
- Mal's Browncoats - Bad Company - Bad Company
- Shepherd - Mindy Smith - Come To Jesus
- Kaylee - Cowboy Junkies - River Waltz
- Mal - Eric Clapton - I Shot the Sheriff
- Jayne - Camper Van Beethoven - When I Win the Lottery (if you ever wanted a perfect Jayne song, this here's it!)
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Post by Skeptic on Mar 8, 2009 14:38:19 GMT -5
I would be shocked if the ratings went up before the end of the season. I just don't see it happenin'. I think Fox shot themselves in the ass again. Go Fox! *slow clap*
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Post by Skeptic on Mar 8, 2009 14:35:56 GMT -5
And maybe a castle on a hill. And possibly a dark and stormy night. Thanks for narrowing it down for me. lmao. You sure they were vampires? How about I give you a list of all the vampire movies I can find dating back from 1950-1980, would that help if you read the titles? ;D Well... it might. I can't be certain it was a movie from the 70s, just that I saw it in the 70s. I was a tiny kid. That would have been 30 years ago, so the memories are vague. They're more like whispers of suggestions of memories by now. lol All I can say is that I think it came out in the 70s, and I saw it at the theater. It would've been late 70s. And if I didn't see it at the theater, it woulda been on, like, HBO. Oh! Unless I snuck into the neighbor's house and saw it on Skinimax, which might make it a porn. LOL This just keeps getting funnier.
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Post by Skeptic on Mar 8, 2009 14:14:10 GMT -5
Watching the next ep, they all just make up because Faith got knocked out? Um... Through the whole episode, I heard a inner voice saying "I. Told. You. So." But I'm glad that Buffy didn't say it. I wish that they had a talk afterwards tough, that they would have sat down to say; Buffy: I think we need to talk. Xander: Buffy we know we were wrong... Willow: We're sorry. *Giles cleaning his glasses* Buffy: No. I won't say 'I told you so'. Because you probably think that it's luck. Luck that I was right. Luck that I didn't die, luck that... Giles: No. It's wasn't luck. Buffy: Maybe you don't think that. Still... We have problems, don't we? *they look at each other, insecure, not knowing what to say, and the screen goes black* I can't agree enough with you both. What happened in Empty Places was a stupifying moment in the Scooby saga and even though I was a nub to the Buffyverse at the time, I had gotten a summer crash course in all things BtVS and was smart enough to know that what happened was, on a scale of size and potential reverb, about as momentous as Buffy killing Angel, or Willow bringing Buffy back from the dead. I mean - there are just a handful of moments in the show where things go all wonky, and something major and tumultuous has to happen, and this is one. So... for the glossing-over that it got in the following ep when Buffy just gave the stiff upper lip and resumed her role without question or hesitation, because she knew she was right, and they were wrong... I still go all Jewish grandma over that and start smacking my forehead and waving my hands and yelling at the screen and just generally shaking my head in dismay. Buffy doesn't have to say anything, really, because Buffy's job here is to just pick up where she left off and keep focused on the Big Bad. Pick up the pieces and come back to them, and protect them and lead them, because that's what she always does and they don't know how lucky they are... at all. But the Scoobies should have said something to her, near the end - some kind of an attempt to try and explain... even though it would fall hopelessly short. I really like that scene you wrote, Skytteflickan88. It's just perfect.
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Post by Skeptic on Mar 7, 2009 15:33:13 GMT -5
I kinda figured it'd stay on a downward trend since (IMHO) the first 3 eps weren't very strong. This last ep, though, Gray Hour, was fantastic. I think if I'd seen this before the other 3, I'd have a better opinion/stronger hopes. But the ep did boost my opinion.
Mainly, my bad opinion stems from the executives, not Joss. Joss got the reigns from them starting with ep 6, but I can already see in ep 4 that things were done more the Joss way than the other way. Ep 4 raised the bar, so I'm anxious to see that the rest improve from here.
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Post by Skeptic on Mar 7, 2009 14:21:08 GMT -5
I voted "loved it". I haven't loved much of anything about Dollhouse yet. So me loving this ep really threw me for a loop! This is the first ep of Dollhouse I really had a great time watching. I thought it was interesting, and the reset was a curve ball I wasn't expecting. It's nice to get these curve balls - there were a few last ep that I really loved, like the chair bonk on the head, and a couple of lines Echo dished out. I usually post on Twitter while I'm watching Dollhouse, as do a lot of others, but the chatter volume was down a lot last night, me included, and there were a lot of comments about how the show drastically improved just with this ep. I agreed - I was too busy watching Eliza as unimprinted Echo, and Sierra with that take-no-guff imprint trying to talk Echo through the escape. That was a pretty genious plan to do that, I thought, to bring in an imprinted active as a heist professional to get them out of their own jam. The ep just was, all in all, a lot better than what I expected, and far better than the previous 3 eps, IMO, and I feel like this isn't going to be a fluke. Gonna go watch it again on Hulu.
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Post by Skeptic on Mar 7, 2009 14:12:20 GMT -5
After last night's ep, I think I'm understanding him a little more. He's a ninny. Also, excitable and quick to have a minor meltdown when something goes wrong. Still not sure about the boy. I did find it amusing that Topher is starting to remind me of Eric Forman on "That 70's Show", played by a dude named Topher.
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Post by Skeptic on Mar 4, 2009 15:33:25 GMT -5
Awww... why only two months advance notice? Me and a friend are planning to go to SD Comic Con in the summer, but with the economy and both of us just being laid off... it may not pan out because it's such a long, and thus expensive, trip for both of us. But Paley would be a lot closer and a lot more doable. Oh well.
I would definitely do the Dollhouse and Dr. Horrible panels, no fail. Flyin' my Joss and co. flag super high. I'd also definitely go to the Battlestar panel... holy smokes, can you imagine? It's going to be crazy. Brimming with geeks of every stripe. Plus David and Ron and whichever cast can get there, I'm sure. My geekdar is in spasms with the thought.
I bet Joss'll be there at the BSG panel. He should, y'know, and announce something wonderful like he and Ron are going to make awesome movies together or something. *geek squeal*
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Post by Skeptic on Mar 3, 2009 17:10:35 GMT -5
I don't have an iPod (ohhh the humanity!) but I can grab my Creative and tell you what the top 20 are. 1. Golden Earring - Twilight Zone 2. Goldfrapp - Let It Take You 3. The Go-Go's - Automatic 4. Depeche Mode - Halo (Goldfrapp Remix) 5. Dave Matthews Band - Gravedigger 6. Jeff Buckley - Everybody Here Wants You 7. Alan Parsons Project - Games People Play 8. Queens of the Stoneage - Burn the Witch 9. Mudvayne - Happy? 10. Fiona Apple - Sullen Girl 11. Al Stewart - Year of the Cat 12. Fleetwood Mac - The Chain 13. DJ Shadow - Six Days 14. Simon & Garfunkle - My Little Town 15. Lovedrug - Pretend You're Alive 16. Donna Summer - She Works Hard for the Money 17. Matthew Good - Life Beyond the Minimum Safe Distance 18. Amampondo featuring Taz (& Juno Reactor) - The Journey 19. Pat Benatar - Invincible 20. Everlast - Put Your Lights On I'm kind of mystified by a couple of songs on this list because I think I must be sleepwalking with my player going. Like, at one time, Donna Summer's "She Works Hard for the Money" was #1, and I'd played it something like 96 times... For another thing... I listen to Unkle and Muse constantly right now, but mostly only through Winamp, which I haven't set up to track my habits. But -> last.fm<- does.
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Post by Skeptic on Mar 3, 2009 16:49:59 GMT -5
I have zero sympathy for men who beat or rape women. Zero. To me, that's when they sell their humanity and just become soulless nothings, not even worth a second glance. I will say one thing, though, they usually get what's coming to them in prison.
Unfortunately Chris probably won't ever go to prison. Jail, maybe, a time or two. And Rihanna may be the one that bails him out, just as sure as she may be the one who called the cops. I hated seeing it with Whitney and Bobby and it just may be the same with Rihanna and Chris. Whitney threw away EVERYTHING to feed this addiction for this man's "love". She used to be so amazing and beautiful and vital, and she's a fraction of a shell of that now.
I've been in an abusive relationship and I know exactly what Rihanna's going through and I wish her well. It's pretty much going to be up to the people close to her, that love her, to intervene and act on her behalf until she's in the right mind to do it for herself.
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Post by Skeptic on Mar 3, 2009 16:17:56 GMT -5
Thanks for the script post. Wow! I always wondered if Giles was holding on to what happened with Jenny, in a way pinning it on Buffy, and now it appears so. Whether or not she deserved it, seems he's got a laundry list of things she did or didn't do to his liking. Nice time to bring it up, too. Sheesh. And I agree about what you said about Xander, Greer. Even back to Season 1, he is the first one to lead the charge into massacring Buffy's character. He has always been the first to instigate these moments where Buffy's character, or her job, or her loyalty to her friends, is called into question. He has always had a problem with her on that level. In some ways I never understand it, because he's being such a jackass to her in those moments. He hits her when she's at her weakest, and takes a chunk out of her. In other ways, I understand it completely, because he can be an obtuse butthead a lot, but mostly because he treats Buffy like a sister. He calls her on what he sees as b.s. He's not always right, or justified, but that's what I see when he does that. This scene is always so damned frustrating for me to watch, or even read. I just feel so heartbroken when Buffy is turned out on the street. It was such a cold thing to do to her. First, it should not have been done in front of everyone. It should have been Giles, the Scoobies, and maybe Faith. And they should have talked to her, showed their concern, not cornered her and doled out punishment. People like Rona and Kennedy had no business telling Buffy in her own house what she should and shouldn't do. Buffy didn't ask for any of this to happen, yet she opened up her house and started caring for and training ALL of these stupid girls. I'm not bitter. As it was, turfing her out like that was a death sentence. Buffy had gotten her backside handed to her time and again by Caleb and his merry crew. The town is crawling with unstoppable ubervamps. Buffy's alone. She has nowhere to go and get this much-needed "rest" that everyone is whinging about. As it is, Buffy just helps herself to someone's house, gun, and refrigerator and doesn't even give a flying flip at that point if it's wrong or if she's safe or anything else. I was glad when Spike showed up at the house and went off on them all. Even if Faith ended up showing him the door, he got in a word or two at least about what a bunch of punks they were to do that to her. I was just really mad at that scene, and I guess I still am. lol
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