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Post by El Diablo Robotico on May 1, 2008 13:16:49 GMT -5
I love Gwen, but I think they used her just the right amount in S4. She strikes me as a character who could become tiresome kinda quickly. I wish they'd brought her back for an episode or two in S5, tho...
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El Diablo Robotico
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on May 1, 2008 13:10:17 GMT -5
**Spoilers** I think that this "massive hit" may have something to do with Satsu. In both of the TOYL issue covers Satsu is nowhere. Wonder... perhaps she got depowered, went through some portal, or even [gasp!!] died. Can't wait to find out! I think that was the conclusion everyone jumped to when this blurb came out--"OMG, Satsu's toast!"--but to me, "massive hit" just doesn't sound like a description that would be used for the death of just a single character. Unless that character were Buffy or Willow (not even sure it would apply to Xander). "Massive hit" strikes me more as something bad happening on a large scale. A large number of slayers get de-powered. A large number of slayers (anonymous ones we've never met) get killed. Or--and this is what I'm guessing it's going to be--the castle gets destroyed while they're gone, leaving them without a base of operations. After Satsu suggested they leave some girls behind to guard it last issue, and Buffy completely rejected the idea, my spider-sense seriously began to tingle... Plus, *** SPOILERS FOR LATER IN THE SEASON!! *** We know something is going to happen later that's going to make them being viewed as terrorists look like nothing in comparison, so if they become the World's Most Wanted, they wouldn't be living in the castle anymore, anyway, where they'd be easy to find. The castle being destroyed even before that could be part of the setup for that development.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 30, 2008 23:37:23 GMT -5
I hate these sorts of activist groups, the right-wingers and the left-wingers both. Bunch of extremist wack-jobs who make it impossible to take anything they say seriously...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 30, 2008 15:20:25 GMT -5
Angel vs. Angelus in "Orpheus" is another good one...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 29, 2008 18:35:15 GMT -5
His last name is O'Connor. It's seen on his gravestoone in season 1 of Angel. skytteflickan88, can you post a screencap, or at least give a detailed description of exactly where you can see that? 'Cause I looked thru the funeral scene in "The Prodigal", and all I can see on his gravestone is "Beloved Son, 1727-1753"... which is all I ever remembered being shown. If there's another shot where his last name is visible, I can't seem to find it.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 29, 2008 15:46:40 GMT -5
Angel vs. Spike in "Destiny". Nothing else even comes close. Spike vs. Nikki ("Fool for Love"), Buffy vs. Faith ("Graduation Day, Pt. 1"), and Spike vs. the Chinese slayer ("Fool for Love") are really good, too. A lot of people mention the big fight vs. the Beast in "Apocalypse, Nowish", but I've never really been too impressed by it. I don't like 1vMany fights where the many decide to inexplicably attack one-by-one, instead of ganging up simultaneously, and in the case of this particular fight, it's too one-sided. The best fights are the ones that are much more evenly matched.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 29, 2008 2:06:50 GMT -5
The Killer in Me. I know a lot of people don't like it, but I think it dealt very successfully with an important piece of character development. I HATE HATE HATE Willow and Kennedy together, but it was an incredible episode. I didn't vote for it (went with "Storyteller"), but I agree with you that it was a great moment in the Willow/Tara/Kennedy/Warren dynamic. Which is part of why Warren's return in S8 bugs me--I think it takes some of the emotional impact away from TKiM. The only thing that annoys me about TKiM when I watch it is, I get why they go back and forth between Aly and Adam Busch, but why are they in completely different clothes? Couldn't they have at least put them in matching outfits to reinforce that we were still watching the same character?
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 29, 2008 1:35:25 GMT -5
His last name is O'Connor. It's seen on his gravestoone in season 1 of Angel. Was it? Geez, I've watched that episode so many times, and never noticed that. (*scrambles for S1 DVD set*) That's why it's worth it to watch these shows over and over: there's always something new to discover that you didn't see the last time...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 29, 2008 1:12:13 GMT -5
I disagree that she was her hottest circa S1-2, I disagree with your disagree. S2 Buffy gets my vote for the hottest Buffy. Does anyone remember an interview she did once (I no longer have any idea where), where she mentioned that after the first couple of seasons she lost weight so she could wear strappy tops without needing a bra? Not that she didn't still look great, because she did, but I like her best back when she was a little more curvy. Gotta say, tho, S6, when she cut her hair... She looks so darn cute. Definitely my favorite hair phase...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 28, 2008 22:19:46 GMT -5
We did think she might be in the second last episode, Power Play, just like Angel appeared in the second last episode of Buffy's finale. We thought we'd do that but wound up not. lol enisy, this confirms what El Diablo was saying. that they were considering having Buffy in the second to last episode 'Power Play'. LOL, thanks, Emmie. I'm reading that interview thinking, "Wait, how's that any different from what I said?" The way I'd always heard it was that they'd wanted her for the next-to-last ep, which was "Power Play" (#21), not "The Girl in Question" (#20). TGiQ would play out exactly the same, and then I guess Buffy would've shown up sometime during "Power Play" to yell at them for sneaking around behind her back. But yeah, thanks for posting the interviews, enisy. Cool stuff!
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 28, 2008 13:29:15 GMT -5
Hmm the later part of your history is rather interesting that Ethan would spy on Buffy but why would he gather info for someone who would wish to destroy all magic?And then how cna we be sure that he visited the memory lanes of Buffy's brain so to gather all these vital information? If Ethan had been stuck in that cell for 5 years and Twilight came along and offered to get him out if Ethan did this one little favor for him. Ethan's streak of self-interest is as wide as an interstate highway, so if he thought helping Twilight benefited him, I think he'd do it in a second. And it's very possible that he might not even have known what Twilight's ultimate goal--destroying all magic--was. Unless of course he himself is Twilight, in which case I have no idea what his reasons could possibly be, and we'll probably just have to wait for him to explain it. Just a theory.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 28, 2008 2:32:37 GMT -5
Or maybe it's just that people can't stand Riley... which I've never understood. Was he a super-interesting character with great depth, or a dynamic personality that jumped off the screen? No, but he was a nice, normal guy, and she could've used something normal in her life. Seems like too many people just want her to be with Angel or Spike, and have zero tolerance for anyone else. Me, I don't really care, so I've always kinda liked the guy...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 28, 2008 1:53:51 GMT -5
I don't see how anyone can blame Buffy--or even Angel himself--for anything that happened after they had sex. Neither one of them had any clue that it would cause him to lose his soul. If they'd known, no matter how much in love they were, I don't think they would have still gone thru with it.
The only one who knew anything about the curse was Jenny's uncle (and presumably the rest of the tribe back home), and he certainly paid the highest possible price for not telling anyone about it beforehand.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 28, 2008 0:57:03 GMT -5
From what I've read, David wanted Sarah to be in Soul Purpose, the episode he directed, but she couldn't because her aunt had died. They also wanted her to appear on the 100th episode but she couldn't because of The Grudge. AND THEN Sarah said she was open to doing the final episode, but Joss turned her down because he wanted the finale to be about Angel, not Buffy returning. Don't know if any of it is true though. They did want Buffy to be in the next-to-last episode, tho, to confront Angel and Spike over the whole Rome thing, but Sarah was still in Japan finishing up "The Grudge". She would've been back in time to film the final ep, but not the one before that. I know that I've heard (it may even be in one of the S5 DVD commentaries; I don't remember) that they even briefly toyed with the idea of reversing the order of filming for the final two eps, and filming #21 last so that Sarah could appear, but the work on the script for #22 wasn't far enough along to make that possible. If it had been, tho, and she'd come to LA from Rome--or if Michelle T.'s schedule had been free and she'd been able to appear in "The Girl in Question" as they'd originally wanted (instead of Andrew)--just think how different S8 would've been. I'd never heard that about "Soul Purpose" before. Interesting...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 28, 2008 0:23:37 GMT -5
I don't think wikipedia's description of Buffy being "originally scripted" is quite accurate--that gives the impression that they wrote the whole episode, only to later find out Sarah was unavailable. I think they had already learned that lesson with Amber Benson in "Conversations with Dead People", and doubt they'd make the same mistake twice. The way I remember hearing it, they wanted something special for the 100th episode, and originally wanted Buffy to return, but Sarah couldn't do it, and David Fury thought Cordelia would make a great Plan B.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 27, 2008 21:58:11 GMT -5
I can rattle off almost any line of dialogue from memory, verbatim, which is way more than just a little scary when I stop to think about it... which I try my best not to. "You saw her. She's a truck-drivin' magic mama, and we've got maybe seconds before Darth Rosenberg shows up and grinds us all into Jawa burgers, and not one of you bunch has the midi-chlorians to stop her!" Most of Fred's science-jargon lines go in one ear and out the other, tho, so those are about my limit.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 27, 2008 21:49:23 GMT -5
I think it's a good bet that Twilight is involved with this arc's scheme somehow or other. It just seems too unlikely that some random gang of vampires would find out not only about the Scythe, but also about the spell involving it that created all the slayers. He might not have gone directly to them (the vamps) and said, "Hey, I want you to do something for me," but he might've arranged for them to find out somehow--thru an intermediary, maybe. If so, the question I'd have is, how does Twilight know about it? Especially if the most popular guess is also the right one, and it's Riley? Possibly the "inside man" referenced in #9 knows about it and got word out. My own theory is that Ethan's trip into Buffy's dreamscape in #3 was more about gathering intel on her than helping her beat Amy, so he could've learned about the spell then and passed that info along--along with everything else he learned about her--before being killed... unless of course he himself is Twilight.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 27, 2008 21:38:14 GMT -5
hey when did the shooting stop? I got shot, started whining about americans invading and shooting and Bush backed out after Hillary took my side. But I think she just did it because Obama was about to. It was a whole thing. Out of curiousity, if someone is a registered Democrat, and votes nothing but Democrat all their lives, and then just once votes for a Republican, can you never consider them a "true" Democrat ever again? Do they have to be labeled an Independent forever after? Or maybe bi-political?
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 26, 2008 22:55:49 GMT -5
He could have gotten it when he was still human. Yes, his name was Liam, but we never found out what his last name was--maybe it started with 'A'. Like Ahmoud. That's Irish, isn't it?
Okay, yeah, he probably got it after he became a vampire...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 26, 2008 22:39:58 GMT -5
I really have no idea what went down with Charisma, as she has always seemed like a very nice, even shy person. I agree, she's always seemed very sweet and kinda shy. She's doesn't seem that difficult to me. I thought her not informing the writers of her pregnancy right away is what messed up her run on the show. That's what I've always heard, as well. That they had this whole arc planned where she was going to be the Big Bad of the season, including a big fight with Angel at the end of the year (which would've filmed around April), and she shows up for the first day of shooting after the summer hiatus and tells them, "Oh, by the way, I'm pregnant, and due in March." It threw all their plans for the season into total upheaval, and the producers were not happy about it. I've heard it enough times over the years that I tend to believe it. Something I've heard less often, so don't know how true it is, is that this, coupled with her basically being fired over it at the end of the season, caused a not-small rift between her and Joss, and he supposedly had no plans to bring her back at any time during S5, and that it was David Fury who actually pushed for it and persuaded Joss to do it (Fury, not Joss, wrote and directed "You're Welcome"). Like I said, don't know how much truth there is in any of that, but the one thing that I always found a little suspicious was how quickly Cordy's death was swept under the rug in the following episodes--not only were her friends never shown mourning her, but I don't think she was even mentioned again until the next-to-last episode. Contrast that with how Fred's death was dealt with, and how much screentime it got. But the good news is, if there ever was a rift between them, it's apparently a thing of the past. From what I've heard the two of them (along with some of the other cast members) do a special feature together on the bonus disc included in the "Chosen Collection" of "Buffy" DVDs, and of course they were both at the Paley thing recently, so
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