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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 19, 2008 21:23:56 GMT -5
"The Shroud of Rahmon". It's so funny at points that it's almost hard to believe Joss didn't write it. And W. Earl Brown, who plays M. James Menlo, also plays my favorite character on "Deadwood", so it's fun seeing him on "Angel".
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 19, 2008 21:19:54 GMT -5
The writers really did their best to ruin "Orpheus" with the Evil Cordy/Connor scenes (actually, that applies to any episode with scenes between the two of them), but the rest of it was so good that I still consider it one of my 2 or 3 favorite episodes of the entire series. If I had two votes, "Spin the Bottle" would definitely get the other one.
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El Diablo Robotico
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 19, 2008 21:11:50 GMT -5
No question "The Body" was an incredibly well-done episode, but it's so sad that I find it pretty tough to watch. "Fool for Love" is my favorite episode in the entire run of the series, so that's what got my vote.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 19, 2008 19:38:06 GMT -5
I don't think that Kennedy meant that Willow was an actual goddess when she said that. It's like telling someone you really love/idolize/respect that they're a god for doing what they do. Yeah, exactly--just a figure of speech. Buffy once told Riley, "You're a god; you're like the god of boyfriends" after he helped move some of her stuff, and also called Giles a god after he reversed Amy's mom's spells in "The Witch". What Kennedy said was just the feminine version of that. And the mystery-woman doesn't look all that short to me. If Harth stood up from his chair/throne, I think she'd still be taller than him... which isn't saying much, 'cause he's not all that tall himself, but she looks plenty tall enough to be Dru. And too young? Dru wasn't exactly pushing 50 or anything. Juliet was in her 30s when she was playing her, so, accounting for Jeanty's slightly-cartoon-ish style (which I've completely come around on and become a pretty big fan of in the last year, BTW), I think she absolutely looks to be in the right age bracket for Dru...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 19, 2008 15:20:46 GMT -5
I love this cover! Fred reminds me of Jean Grey. And Angel looks like AtS Season Three Angel to me, but it's a great likeness, as is the same with Wesley. Also, looking at the Hulk #1 cover, is it at all possible that ISN'T Fred? In the Hulk the person is hidden by a ?-mark. The one posted with the "?" looks like a very modern piece of artwork, but the description of the "Angel" cover says it's an homage to the original 1962 "Hulk" #1, which looks like this: No question-mark.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 19, 2008 14:24:16 GMT -5
I didn't like Nina, but I didn't dislike her, either. I'm perfectly willing to be won over and turned into a fan in AtF...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 19, 2008 13:06:02 GMT -5
Gunn and Fred I don't mind, because from everything I've ever heard since the show ended, these are exactly what Joss's plans for those two characters were for S6 of the show. Wes and Lorne similarly don't bother me, because they were main characters, and there's plenty of precedent in the two shows for series-regulars seemingly being killed or leaving for good (Angel at the end of "Buffy" S2; Buffy herself at the end of S5; Lorne at the end of "Angel" S3) and then returning at the start of the next season. You forgot to mention Connor and Groo along with Nina and Gwen. These are the four I'm a little more about, even tho Groo is one of my absolute most-favoritest minor characters ever, and Gwen would be high on that list, too. My only gripe with it is that it's a lot of secondary characters to bring back all at once, but I've liked the roles Connor and Groo have played so far. Gwen and Nina haven't really done that much yet, so I'm still not sure what purpose they serve in the story, but I have faith in Brian that there is a reason for them, so I'll just wait and see...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 19, 2008 12:55:22 GMT -5
I think it's okay to use a scan here or a screencap there, for avatars or sigs or whatever. I don't think it's okay to post an entire comic so that people can read the whole thing without having to pay for it...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 18, 2008 22:32:38 GMT -5
Voted. 431.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 18, 2008 22:24:20 GMT -5
Wow, onemoretouch and wenxina, you're both wicked smart!! I just wish we knew what this thing was, whether it really is a cover or not. I just noticed that if you follow the link in the first post to the CBR story, it doesn't appear to be there anymore--just the Chen and Jeanty covers...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 18, 2008 22:22:27 GMT -5
didnt dru die? i think its amy!!!!!!! but if it is dru i think it will be really great to see her again!!!!i love dru!!!!nut job!!!i think its amy though!!!! Nope, as far as we know, Dru is still alive and well. We just haven't seen her, aside from flashbacks and a couple of appearances as the First, since S5 of "Buffy"...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 18, 2008 22:14:11 GMT -5
Well, it doesn't not look like Willow... it just looks more like Dru, with the style of dress and the dark hair and the hanging out with a big-time badass vampire and all. Plus, I don't think her eyes look black--it looks like you can actually see some white at the edge of her left eye, just before her face gives way to shadow. Also, if it were Willow, she would either have to have lived for hundreds of years--without appearing to age much--or else she would've come thru from the past (our present day), just like Buffy. She and Buffy are working together at the start of the previous issue (16), so something would've had to have happened that could turn her evil and send her off to team up with Harth by the end of #17. That's a lot of plot developments to happen in just 44 pages (22 per issue). And it took Tara's murder to drive her over the edge originally, so what would it take to cause it to happen a second time? I really hope it's Dru. She's one of my absolute favorite villains, and I've always wondered what happened to her after she ran out of Spike's underground lair in "Crush"...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 18, 2008 16:15:10 GMT -5
Problem being that Mel doesn't have a human reference for people to work with. For Buffy, there's SMG. For Mel, there's Moline's work from before, but to put that into a more realistic light's a little harder. I know that Moline was referencing Natalie Portman's proportions at first, so maybe that's a start? Yep that's what I'm thinking too. Jo really made Gunther look amazing and alive, so its disappointing that Mel isn't popping off the page. She's just such an active character, ready to flip around while having a very vocal expression. I wish Moline was doing a variant too. Maybe it was just too much to put on his plate. I think Jo made Mel look expressive enough in the #16 cover, so I'm gonna give her the benefit of the doubt here. You could say that maybe Mel is trying to look all serious and hardass-y in front of Gunther, and possibly intimidate him into giving her and Buffy some information...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 18, 2008 15:09:44 GMT -5
it does sound like it will. Isn't this the arc that Joss something BIG and revealing would happen and we'd all be like WHAT?? Or did I read that wrong? Joss said the story is going to take a big, surprising turn in issue #21. And then there was that rumor about some major Joss-related news coming in July. Maybe you've gotten those two things mixed-up?
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 18, 2008 13:17:10 GMT -5
However, I'm hoping I can get a hold of Fray...I'm searching eBay.com right now. Will I be too lost without it?? Hard to say. You'd think Joss would probably write it in a way that re-introduces the "Fray" characters and world to anyone who's not familiar with them, so that no one will be too lost. But it certainly couldn't hurt to have read it beforehand, and it's uber-awesome and shouldn't be missed, anyway, so yeah: read it! But you've got 2.5 months 'til this arc starts, so it's not like there's a big rush to find a copy and hurry up and get it read. Stay patient and try to get yourself a good deal on one...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 18, 2008 13:11:01 GMT -5
I noticed that, but there was no caption so I just thought it was an ad and didn't look closely at it. But she does look a little like Buffy, and she's holding a stake, so it's probably not some completely un-related ad, after all. With the old-fashioned outfit, and the infinity symbol over her head, I wonder if that's supposed to be not Buffy, but rather just a general depiction of the Slayer, a warrior through the ages who has always existed and always will exist. But if it's a variant cover (they did three different covers for #5, remember), why oh why couldn't they have gotten Karl Moline to do it... ?
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 18, 2008 12:58:37 GMT -5
One of the best Jo Chen covers yet! And it pretty much proves that Buffy and Mel won't spend 4 issues fighting against each other, like some people thought. . It doesn'y exactly prove anything. In No Future For You we could see Buffy in a gown on a cover but nope, she wasn't invited to the party (not in a gown anyway), so just because they're not ripping each others throts out on the cover doesn't mean that they're friendly. The scenes shown on the covers were a little more abstract at the beginning (and the alternate covers seem to be remaining that way, for the most part). Giant Dawn standing before a building, holding Buffy in her palm, the Buffy-double pulling her "Buffy" mask off, Faith naked and burning her fancy dress, etc. But more recently the "main" (Chen/Foster) covers have gotten much more into depicting some of the actual action we see within. Faith trying to drown Buffy on the #8 cover, Buffy and Willow flying on #10, Buffy fighting Twilight on #11, Buffy and Mel falling off a building on #16, and I'm guessing Dawn probably will go stomping thru downtown Tokyo, as shown on the #14 cover. In this new image, it looks like Buffy and Mel have gone to see Gunther about something together, so whatever they were fighting about at the beginning of #16, they seem to have either put that behind them, or called a temporary truce. Once they take a quick time-out from the fight they're having when they first meet and realize they're both slayers, I can't see any reason Buffy and Mel would choose to become enemies and continue to try to kill each other. The only thing I've heard that makes any sense is that Mel knows something about Buffy's future and believes she has to kill her to preserve her own existence. But Mel doesn't strike me as that type--she's a thief, but not a murderer. And, putting on my Time-Travel Nerd hat for a sec, there's no way Mel could know about something Buffy's done (in her future) that would wipe Mel out from ever existing, because if she had, then Mel wouldn't have been around to find out about it. Because she wouldn't have existed. I don't see them becoming great buddies (because Melaka is a little too much like Faith), but I think they'll get together real quick and work out whatever problem it is that needs to be solved in this story. I'm thinking this is gonna be Buffy/Kendra all over again...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 18, 2008 12:23:35 GMT -5
One of the best Jo Chen covers yet! And it pretty much proves that Buffy and Mel won't spend 4 issues fighting against each other, like some people thought. Shoot, I thought I was gonna be the first one to guess that was Drusilla. Hope it is, 'cause she and Harth would make an... interesting... pair.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 18, 2008 2:07:22 GMT -5
Okay, so what about the idea of Twilight being an actual 'Old One'? In the Buffyverse, the Old Ones are the extremely powerful, pure-breed demons that once dominated Earth before humankind appeared. Illyria is one of these demons, though her real form was revealed only in an illustration. Giles tells Buffy about them in 'The Harvest' episode... "This world is older than any of you know. Contrary to popular mythology, it did not begin as a paradise. For untold eons demons walked the Earth. They made it their home, their...their Hell. But in time, they lost their purchase on this reality. The way was made for mortal animals, for, for man. All that remains of the Old Ones are vestiges, certain magicks, certain creatures..." Twilight has all the signals pointing to the fact that he is indeed an Old One. He has enormous strength, stamina and resistance. He appears immortal, but that is up for debate. And each Old One has a unique power, so could his benefit from the loss of Magic? Perhaps he is the one who crafted Magic or at least a form of magic in the beginning of time? The Deeper Well is located in Cotswolds, England. That is awfully close to Scotland where Buffy and the gang currently reside. Old Ones were worshipped as gods, ruled over vast territories, commanded fearsome armies, and constantly made war against each other. This would explain a lot of Twilights motives to attack Buffy from the inside and cause turmoil amongst themselves. Not to mention all of the worshipers who carve the Twilight symbol into their chests.... I know everyone want's it to be a "Giles" or a "Riley" but truth is I believe this will be a new character. And if he is a character who people know, I don't think it will be that SAME very character. For example, lets say Riley was sent on a mission into the Deeper Well to extract a God. The army sent him on the mission but he had no idea they were going to use this God to help fight against the Slayer army, or whatever. Riley goes into the Deeper Well and is possessed by a God. I.E Twilight. Then Riley shows up as Twilight and all of us readers are like "Whhhhhhaaat!?!", but meanwhile we have no idea that this isn't the Riley we all knew and loved/hated. Or perhaps when Buffy and Willow made all the potential slayers into slayers, maybe it "Changed the World" (Like the first panel in Long Way Home where we see the sun at Twilight over the world) and allowed Twilights release?... Just an example, but you guys get my drift. What do you think?? Okay, but if it's Riley (to use your example) possessed by an Old One, why would the Old One feel the need to wear a mask? Disguise his voice? Somehow I can't picture Illyria doing that to keep Angel & the rest from recognizing she was in Fred's body (assuming it had happened in a different way where they didn't know about the takeover before and during). It's a well-thought theory, for sure, but I think the mask and the distorted voice is where all "It's a brand-new character we've never seen before" ideas run into trouble. This isn't "Spiderman" or "Batman" where all the bad guys seemed to wear costumes--in the "Buffy"-verse, they don't usually feel the need to bother (see: Glory and the Mayor, among others), so when they do, there's gotta be a reason for it. And if there isn't--if we're teased by the reveal of his "secret identity" for 2+ years and it turns out to be a completely unfamiliar face--then I'm gonna lose a lot of faith in Joss. But I don't see that happening--he's too good a storyteller for that. And someone suggested Warren as Twilight a little earlier, but by the time S8 begins, Twilight already has a loyal band of followers hard at work carrying out his plans, and as far as we know, Warren and Amy were underground from the time of "Chosen" until S8, #1. So how would Warren have recruited all those minions in that time? Unless you're gonna theorize that he and Amy actually weren't underground for most of that stretch, and instead were out setting their plans in motion, but then what do they gain by going thru the sham of allowing themselves to get caught--by General Voll, one of those very same minions?
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