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Post by buffyfan21 on May 22, 2010 16:29:28 GMT -5
Don't you sometimes feel that you oppose to a popular opinion? Don't you sometimes feel that, no, I actually think Buffy deserved to be kicked out of her house. Well, here's a thread for you: 9) I prefer Xander and Willow's high school relationships more than their adult relationships. I guess because as seasons progressed, Xander and Willow's love life was sidelined so more focus can be placed on Buffy's love life. 10)The Buffy/Xander friendship is the most interesting friendship between a guy and a girl on both shows. Oh, forgot to touch on these two as well. I agree about liking the relationships more in the high school years, not that I don't like the later seasons, just that the earlier one's seem to have a simplicity that I enjoy. Not to mention that these seasons are what made me fall in love with the show in the first place, so they have a special place in my heart for that reason. Not to mention the whole nostalgia factor. Although, I can certainly relate to the complicated nature of the later seasons, there is definitely something to be said for wanting to go back to those simpler times. Overall, I like the close-knit "monster of the week" nature of those high school years that the later, more adult seasons, seem to be lacking somewhat. Not to say that they aren't just as good -I love the series as a whole from beginning to end - simply that they are different, which doesn't imply "bad" by the way. I love all seasons of Buffy for different reasons. As I've already stated, S7 is actually one of my favorites. The one thing I am really longing for in S8, though, is just to see one moment of the scoobies just hangin' out like old times. I miss those moments. And yeah, I know there's the bigger picture to worry about etc, etc, still, it would be nice to see. I love the relationship between Buffy and Xander, it's true - they certainly seem to have a close-knit vibe going on in S8 that I enjoy - but I think I have to throw Willow and Xander in there as well. Especially considering that they knew each other way before Buffy ever came to Sunnydale and the two have a long history. Although, sadly, Xander and Willow don't seem that close as of late.  Maybe we will see them get some "screen time" together before the close of S8. Keeping my fingers crossed! While we are on the subject of relationships we love, am I the only one who really liked the big brother/protector vibe that existed between Spike and Dawn in S5/S6? I always thought it was really sweet the way he looked out for her, etc. Too bad that had to go by the wayside in S7. Spike/Joyce was a really special one as well. They never got many scenes together, but when they did it was always memorable. |
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Post by Eric on May 22, 2010 23:51:33 GMT -5
Everyone always talks about how they can't stand the B/S attempted rape scene and how they always cringe, but I never have. It's not like I get a happy or anything. I don't condone any kind of rape in real life, but they're fiction characters, so I just don't really mind it. Does that make me an insensitive jerk? No, it does not. It might not mean anything negative at all, just that you can distance yourself. Do you usually feel indifferent to characters emotions? Or are just able to care to a certain level, since they're fictional? I myself often empathize deeply with characters in my favorite shows. They're my made up fake buddies, in a way. And one of the reasons that scene hits me so hard is because I constantly think about rape, because of real life events. I can watch Family Guy, which have like one rape joke per episode, and feel almost nothing, I even laugh at those jokes sometimes, while I can't watch most of BtVS S6 because of one short scene in Entropy. That's because I can distance myself when it comes to Family Guy, because the whole show is in a way a huge joke and mockery of everyone and everything, but BtVS and it's characters feel to real for me not to connect with. I can feel for fictional characters. Sometimes too much. That's what makes me wonder about not caring about the rape scene... Everyone always talks about how they can't stand the B/S attempted rape scene and how they always cringe, but I never have. It's not like I get a happy or anything. I don't condone any kind of rape in real life, but they're fiction characters, so I just don't really mind it. Does that make me an insensitive jerk? I don't mind that scene either. Maybe we're just horrible people. I know I'm a horrible person. I'm just wondering if it's because of this. XD |
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Post by kaan on May 23, 2010 0:07:10 GMT -5
The one thing I am really longing for in S8, though, is just to see one moment of the scoobies just hangin' out like old times. I miss those moments. And yeah, I know there's the bigger picture to worry about etc, etc, still, it would be nice to see. This. SO MUCH! Cannot stress it enough. Unfortunately I don't think it will happen at all, except maybe in the very last issue #40, but I still doubt it. It seems as though the PTB's feel that those moments don't suite themselves to the comics medium, which is completely ridiculous imo. Throw in Giles as well. I don't think there has been a great all-Scooby scene since S5. And that's the main reason I watched and now read. Did anyone else not like the way they treated the Hank Summers character. I know they didn't want another father figure around because Giles was there, but why make the guy out to be a complete jerk? If the PTB's never plan to focus any stories on him, why not just kill him off? He didn't seem too bad in the early seasons. I would love a comic arc focused on Buffy and her dad(and Dawn I guess) in S9. |
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Post by lightandmagic on May 23, 2010 0:42:22 GMT -5
Oh I have a couple of others:
I genuinely like Marti Noxon's writing and the majority of her episodes. Yes, every now and then she has a clunker (Bad Eggs) but so does every writer (Joss's Ghost and Vows from Dollhouse come to mind instantly). I also don't blame her for Season 6, Joss was just as in control as she was and misery is generally more his mantra. I do think she played a part, but, if the other writers and Joss didn't want to go that way, they wouldn't've gone that way, y'know? Plus she has written some pretty good episodes for Grey's Anatomy (Some Kind of Miracle) and Mad Men (The Gypsy and the Hobo - amazing). I think she gets an undeserved bad rep.
On a similar not, I find Jane Espenson incredibly overrated. I do like her writing, but she's often credited with being a hilarious writer when I don't think her episodes are all that funny. That and she wrote Haunted from Dollhouse and man that was awful. So, yeah, overrated.
And on the note of Jane Espenson: I don't think Band Candy is that funny. I find the premise of adults acting like teenagers to always be generally stupid because it just generalizes a whole age group and the antics of the adulteens is way different to the behaviour of the regular teens. I actually don't enjoy the episode. It bothers me in a lot of ways.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on May 23, 2010 0:49:20 GMT -5
No, it does not. It might not mean anything negative at all, just that you can distance yourself. Do you usually feel indifferent to characters emotions? Or are just able to care to a certain level, since they're fictional? I myself often empathize deeply with characters in my favorite shows. They're my made up fake buddies, in a way. And one of the reasons that scene hits me so hard is because I constantly think about rape, because of real life events. I can watch Family Guy, which have like one rape joke per episode, and feel almost nothing, I even laugh at those jokes sometimes, while I can't watch most of BtVS S6 because of one short scene in Entropy. That's because I can distance myself when it comes to Family Guy, because the whole show is in a way a huge joke and mockery of everyone and everything, but BtVS and it's characters feel to real for me not to connect with. I can feel for fictional characters. Sometimes too much. That's what makes me wonder about not caring about the rape scene... Could be that you've never been able to empathize with rape-victims or rapists. Ever been groped, felt corned and helpless, used sexually, or been the one who used? If not, who can blame you for not being able to empathize with fictional characters? Or maybe it would hurt too much? If you let yourself feel during that scene, it might be too much for you, so your subconscious shuts off? I think you're all right either way, since you know that rape is wrong, and that you should feel sorry for real rape-victims. That's enough to make you a good person to me.  |
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Post by The Night Lord on May 23, 2010 1:04:38 GMT -5
Ah yes, also forgot: don't like Joss Whedon. At all acutally You monster. :P Well, I guess in a way, so is he *shrugs* |
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Post by kaan on May 23, 2010 1:15:07 GMT -5
Oh I have a couple of others: I genuinely like Marti Noxon's writing and the majority of her episodes. Yes, every now and then she has a clunker (Bad Eggs) but so does every writer (Joss's Ghost and Vows from Dollhouse come to mind instantly). I also don't blame her for Season 6, Joss was just as in control as she was and misery is generally more his mantra. I do think she played a part, but, if the other writers and Joss didn't want to go that way, they wouldn't've gone that way, y'know? Plus she has written some pretty good episodes for Grey's Anatomy (Some Kind of Miracle) and Mad Men (The Gypsy and the Hobo - amazing). I think she gets an undeserved bad rep. Yeah Marti used to get so much hate in this fandom because of S6&7. I think it comes down to many people not willing to criticize Joss, so they look for other scapegoats. They hate S6 so blame Marti, Dollhouse sucked (which, for the majority of its run, it did) so they blame FOX, character's aren't in S8 so they blame Allie etc, etc. The fact is that Joss was still rewriting and had final approval on all scripts in S6&7. Nothing happened without his ok. Did he give Marti more room to explore themes that he might not have, but she particularly wanted to? Probably. Did she have more influence on the story than previous season? I think so. That comes with being the one in charge of production. Doesn't mean Joss didn't approve. But the fact is that Joss wasn't around the set in the latter part of Buffy's run, (maybe he got tired of all the bullshit and tension on set? Who knows) and so people blame the next person on the totem pole. |
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Post by Tea - Total on May 24, 2010 5:34:46 GMT -5
*I didnt like the scene when Buffy and Giles turned their back on Jenny,it wasnt her fault that Angelus AKA Buffys boyfriend killed the beloved daughter of Jenny tribe?,Vengeance demands that his pain be eternal. Which i understand.
* The first evil is awsome.
*Watching Empty Places, when everybody was against Buffy motives in battle and suddenly everybody didn't trust her.
That scene was unfair all this time Buffy saved their life's many occasions and suddenly their don't trust her.
And it was Giles that made Buffy the leader bringing all the potential to Buffy, so what does he expect..
Buffy was just training them and giving them experience of battle
to prepare them for their ultimate doom.
* Season 5,6,7 is better then , 1,2,3,4.
* Jocyes death has to be one of the best moments of buffster!!!.
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Post by buffyfan21 on May 24, 2010 11:14:18 GMT -5
Oohh one of these threads! Okay here are some of mine: 1. I like Beer Bad and Bad Eggs [edit: and Doublemeat Palace!!] And I thought I was the only one who liked these two eps. Awesome. Except I would have to throw "Ted" in there as well. |
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Post by Jezebel Jinx on May 26, 2010 16:22:43 GMT -5
Oohh one of these threads! Okay here are some of mine: 1. I like Beer Bad and Bad Eggs [edit: and Doublemeat Palace!!] And I thought I was the only one who liked these two eps. Awesome. Except I would have to throw "Ted" in there as well. Me too. One of the two unpopular opinions I have that I can think of right now is my like and/or love of episodes that many other fans seem to hate or find lacking in some way. Bad Eggs, Ted, Beer Bad, Reptile Boy, Go Fish, The Zeppo, and Doublemeat Palace. I pop these episodes in regularly with great delight. The second unpopular opinion (or at least I think is unpopular) there are two episodes that many fans think are funny that I don't. Living Conditions and Superstar. With Living Conditions I get so annoyed at Kathy to the point where it's not funny. She is the roommate I never want to have. I wanted Buffy to kill her, during this ep I kept saying kill her don't worry about the police they can't solve anything in that town, so go on do it. I was cheering Buffy on when she was fighting Kathy before I knew she was a demon.  Even though Buffy does annoying things in this episode too it doesn't bother me because Kathy bothers me so much that there's no room for Buffy's issues. As for Superstar I just thought it was lame. I laughed very little with an episode that I'm sure was supposed to be a laugh out loud fun fest. |
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Post by Darth Rosie on May 27, 2010 0:37:34 GMT -5
I like something which is very unpopular, namely the fact that in Empty Places Buffy is thrown out of the house. Yes, it was harsh. But yes, she had it coming. Her actions had been ruthless, she was not ready to discuss tactics, and she had shut herself off. This is understandable concerning the situtation, but it also has consequences. Tough Love.
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Post by The Girl In Question on May 27, 2010 2:21:50 GMT -5
Ah, poo! I wanted so badly to start a thread like this, but I was beat to it! Curse not having the internet for over a week! I'll just list my UOs  I love Season 4. Like Baumonde, it's my third fav. I think Kendra's accent is hot XD I hate season 4 Tara. She was lamey lamey LAME I like season 8 I'm waiting for a Buffy/Spike/Angel three-way relationship I love season 6 I like Xander/Willow as a couple and wish in season 8 that they would dump their partners and get together (because I hate their season 8 pairings) I hate that everyone in the show uses the word "rassle" I think Season 5 is waaay more depressing than sesason 6 I hate Spike's and buffy's behavior in LMPTM Go Fish is one of my favorite episodes |
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Post by Darth Rosie on May 27, 2010 3:25:56 GMT -5
Karma for this fabulous rant, even if I do not agree with all of what you're saying |
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Post by alex_krycek on May 27, 2010 10:39:32 GMT -5
@ the girl in question: go fish is an incredible episode. one of my top five, hands down! and a xander/will ship would be sweet!
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Post by The Girl In Question on May 27, 2010 15:25:53 GMT -5
Lol, thanks Darth Rosie. And I'm glad you agree alex_krycek! That episode always makes me laugh and I always feel alone on the Xander/will shipping ^_^
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Post by The Night Lord on May 28, 2010 6:24:45 GMT -5
I think Anya was very annoying and didn't see the point of her in seasons 5-7. What purpose did she serve other than Xander's girlfriend?
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Post by lightandmagic on May 30, 2010 21:11:57 GMT -5
She provides much needed sarcasm!
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Post by The Night Lord on May 31, 2010 9:03:55 GMT -5
I thought that was Xander's job
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Post by wenxina on May 31, 2010 9:14:41 GMT -5
Xander was never really the sarcastic one. In the early days, it was Cordelia, then Anya, and to a certain extent, Spike. These characters were the ones who served as "fool" characters, or in other words, characters who are allowed to say things that the others, and by extension, we, don't get to say for the sake of decency.
Xander was the everyman character. He was the one who most frequently expressed what we as an audience felt. Sure, he has sarcasm, but it's more in-'verse sarcasm, rather than a more meta-commentary type sarcasm.
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Post by clubjenna on Jun 1, 2010 1:46:37 GMT -5
1. Why is there soo much Tara love i mean i think she is a great character but not big enough for the holy grail treament it just has always made me wonder
2. I love Spike but i do feel that he is waaay overused time to time
3. I HATE dawn but she was bearable in S7
4. Season 4 had its horrible eps. but it was still a great season overall
5. Season 6 and 7 are my absolute fave seasons
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