Unpopular rants,opinions and confessions

[afterthebattle]

- I actually like Riley, and I think his relationship with Buffy was the healthiest she had (except for Spuffy season 7).
- I hate that everyone blames Spike for the AR, when noone blames Angel for all the evil things he did before he got a soul.
- I don't like Spike and Dru together! (I don't like Dru, so that's probably why).
- I like Spike and Buffys relationship in season 5, 6 and 7. Not that I find the mutual abusive relationship in season 6 beautiful, but I find it interesting and I think it was necessary for Spike to get to know Buffy's dark side. As he tells her in Chosen: "I love what you are, what you do, how you try. I've seen your kindness and your strength. I've seen the best and the worst of you and I understand with perfect clarity exactly what you are."
- I thought Tara was soooo boring in season 4 and 5. I was kinda upset with the whole "Gay-Willow" thing - I still think she's bisexual. However, I really grew to love Tara throughout season 6 and I cried when she died.
- I absolutely despise Kennedy.

[Skytteflickan88]

Jun 29, 2010 5:40:49 GMT -5 afterthebattle said:

- I hate that everyone blames Spike for the AR, when noone blames Angel for all the evil things he did before he got a soul.

Everyone? I, and several other fans I've meet online, thinks that both Spike and Angel can't be blamed for what they did without souls. So yes, I blame Spike for the AR. Souless Spike that is. Just as I blame Angelus for what Angelus did.

I know they're not four different people, but I think they should be treated as such.

- I absolutely despise Kennedy.

Not a unpopular opinion.

[Tea - Total]

*I think the First is the best concept ever.It whole existence lies in its ability to deceive, torment and manipulate others. The First has a deep understanding of human nature and it uses this knowledge to drive others to madness, murder and/or suicide which make the whole concept very interesting too watch.

[AngelFaith]

I HATE Oz's "We attack the Mayor with hummus" line. I know it's supposed to be all funny and quirky and show how weird Oz is, but every time he says it I just marvel at the stupidity of it. Seriously, the writers couldn't have come up with anything better?

I have been holding that mini-rant in waaaay too long. Feels good to get it out.

[tkts]

I'm not sure if this bugs me or not -- depends on how accurate it is, and I'm hoping somebody here knows.

Buffy's been dead for 147 days when she's resurrected. In the scenes inside her coffin, her body appears to have started decomposing. Is this realistic? I would think that in a sealed coffin, the process wouldn't go that quickly. Then again, bodies are normally embalmed before burial, and maybe hers wasn't.

[Tea - Total]

^ I remember that scene. Personally to me it was realistic, the effect to resurrect Buffy back to Buffy form was an excellent piece of effects.

[loveisabird]

Im always up and down with my opinions on spike. He was better as a villian and maybe his comedy neighbour routine in S4 was good. I liked Spike in Season 5 of Buffy when he became obsessed with her and I do think that at that time maybe he did love her. I LOVED the early 6 that Spike was around when Buffy was sad like she said cos he was kinda a shoulder to lean on when she couldnt tell her friends what happened to her. BUT as soon as he sees he is able to hit her he just turns on her knowing full well how emotionally low she was, her mothers recent(ish) death and her father figure had just left her... and then the depressing spuffy sex began. If Buffy hadnt have died there would have been NO spuffy at all, and I genuinely believe that. Buffy was at a weak point and was so vulnerable that she gave into the worst parts of herself... and yes she abused spike but people who go on about how mean buffy was to him winds me up. Spike KNEW how emotional weak/numb whatever you want to call it , and instead of staying away he took advantage of her in my eyes. I do think Buffy is at fault for giving in, but spike claimed he loved her but if you love someone that much you walk away. spuffy just became this vile painful cycle of abuse and i dont see how anyone can find that part of season 6 sexy and enjoyable. The attempted rape was attempted rape and i cant ABIDE when spike fans try to whitewash. Yes Buffy may have treated him badly but its no excuse. Its like saying if a man tries to rape a woman after shes abuses him for a few months then its ok...no its not. And im glad he realised he done wrong and got his soul. I found it hard to like him for soooooooo long in Season 7 because the attempted rape. Sometimes I wonder that fans react to the attempted rape with an ok because of how quickly buffy forgave him, but to me that just shows to me how strong buffy is when it comes to forgiving people. I think i finally forgave spike myself when it came to his speech in "Touched", it redeemed him for me...i dunno who to explain why i did but i think it comes down to when he says hes seen the best and the worst in her and still sees her in such an amazing light. But then when he got on Angel s5 they made him act like a child and back to early-buffy spike for the sake of chemistry and 'lols'. and him humping harmony once he was coporeal was so irritating!!

Woah I did epic rant then but i hope i made some sense...

[buffyfan21]

I don't get why people dislike Buffy (the character). Okay, I get that she is not everyone's favorite, but how can you dislike the main character of a show? I mean, some fans just have an all out hatred for her. I love Buffy so maybe I'm just biased but still, I don't get it and it bugs me. I would think that disliking the main character from any show, would distract from enjoyment of said show. I get that there are so many great characters to love on Buffy and that's just one of the many reasons why it's so awesome. That said, I am still glad that I have such love for the main protagonist of the show and that I am able to call her my favorite character. Yes, I know Buffy is not perfect; she has flaws; she has made mistakes and bad choices; still, though, I think Joss fully intended her to be likable. Perhaps it is my blind devotion to the character that keeps me from understanding, but I am just so surprised when people claim they don't like her.

[Jezebel Jinx]

Jun 30, 2010 8:56:57 GMT -5 buffyfan21 said:

I don't get why people dislike Buffy (the character). Okay, I get that she is not everyone's favorite, but how can you dislike the main character of a show? I mean, some fans just have an all out hatred for her. I love Buffy so maybe I'm just biased but still, I don't get it and it bugs me. I would think that disliking the main character from any show, would distract from enjoyment of said show. I get that there are so many great characters to love on Buffy and that's just one of the many reasons why it's so awesome. That said, I am still glad that I have such love for the main protagonist of the show and that I am able to call her my favorite character. Yes, I know Buffy is not perfect; she has flaws; she has made mistakes and bad choices; still, though, I think Joss fully intended her to be likable. Perhaps it is my blind devotion to the character that keeps me from understanding, but I am just so surprised when people claim they don't like her.

Now I love Buffy. She's actually one of my favorite characters in the Buffyverse. However I can understand how some people hate a main/title character. I, for example, hated Dawson from Dawson's Creek. That kid constantly got on my nerves but I still liked the show because of the characters that surrounded him. I loved Pacey, Jen, Dawson's parents, Grams, Jack, and around season 2 or 3 I started to like Joey. So I even though I myself love Buffy Summers I can understand why there are some people who dislike the character yet still love the show. ;D

[buffyfan21]

Jun 30, 2010 9:21:42 GMT -5 Jezebel Jinx said:

Jun 30, 2010 8:56:57 GMT -5 buffyfan21 said:

I don't get why people dislike Buffy (the character). Okay, I get that she is not everyone's favorite, but how can you dislike the main character of a show? I mean, some fans just have an all out hatred for her. I love Buffy so maybe I'm just biased but still, I don't get it and it bugs me. I would think that disliking the main character from any show, would distract from enjoyment of said show. I get that there are so many great characters to love on Buffy and that's just one of the many reasons why it's so awesome. That said, I am still glad that I have such love for the main protagonist of the show and that I am able to call her my favorite character. Yes, I know Buffy is not perfect; she has flaws; she has made mistakes and bad choices; still, though, I think Joss fully intended her to be likable. Perhaps it is my blind devotion to the character that keeps me from understanding, but I am just so surprised when people claim they don't like her.

Now I love Buffy. She's actually one of my favorite characters in the Buffyverse. However I can understand how some people hate a main/title character. I, for example, hated Dawson from Dawson's Creek. That kid constantly got on my nerves but I still liked the show because of the characters that surrounded him. I loved Pacey, Jen, Dawson's parents, Grams, Jack, and around season 2 or 3 I started to like Joey. So I even though I myself love Buffy Summers I can understand why there are some people who dislike the character yet still love the show. ;D

Yeah, I see what you're saying. Granted, there have been times when I myself haven't been happy with Buffy, but that doesn't stop me from loving the character as a whole. The same could be said for any of the other character as well: Willow, Xander, etc., have all had less than shinning moments and yet, on the whole, we still care for them.

[Skytteflickan88]

Jun 30, 2010 8:56:57 GMT -5 buffyfan21 said:

I don't get why people dislike Buffy (the character). Okay, I get that she is not everyone's favorite, but how can you dislike the main character of a show? I mean, some fans just have an all out hatred for her. I love Buffy so maybe I'm just biased but still, I don't get it and it bugs me. I would think that disliking the main character from any show, would distract from enjoyment of said show.

You're not wrong. I used to love Ats, but since Angel's behaviour in season 5, I've started to use words like "evil" "whiny" "loathesome" and "Hitler-esque" to describe Angel. He's still hot and sometimes fascinating, and I can watch the earlier seasons without being too bothered by him, but I'm definitly not watching the show and reading the comics for him anymore. I'm doing it because he got interesting story arcs and because I like the other characters.

So it is very possible to be a BtVS/Ats fan without being a Buffy/Angel fan. But the shows were a lot more fun before I started to loathe Angel and feel Buffy wasn't all that interesting as she used to be.

[buffyfan21]

Jun 30, 2010 9:46:36 GMT -5 Skytteflickan88 said:

Jun 30, 2010 8:56:57 GMT -5 buffyfan21 said:

I don't get why people dislike Buffy (the character). Okay, I get that she is not everyone's favorite, but how can you dislike the main character of a show? I mean, some fans just have an all out hatred for her. I love Buffy so maybe I'm just biased but still, I don't get it and it bugs me. I would think that disliking the main character from any show, would distract from enjoyment of said show.

You're not wrong. I used to love Ats, but since Angel's behaviour in season 5, I've started to use words like "evil" "whiny" "loathesome" and "Hitler-esque" to describe Angel. He's still hot and sometimes fascinating, and I can watch the earlier seasons without being too bothered by him, but I'm definitly not watching the show and reading the comics for him anymore. I'm doing it because he got interesting story arcs and because I like the other characters.

So it is very possible to be a BtVS/Ats fan without being a Buffy/Angel fan. But the shows were a lot more fun before I started to loathe Angel and feel Buffy wasn't all that interesting as she used to be.

Yeah. I'm not saying that disliking the main/title character completely takes away from enjoyment - there are, after all, many diverse and well-rounded characters to love. And as you said, the stories can still be found compelling and interesting without actually liking the character - but its gotta detract from it at least on some level. I know it would for me.

I guess I just don't understand why some of the fandom has such an intense dislike for Buffy. Yes, it's true, she can be bitchy at times, - I'm sure we all can - but barring that, what has Buffy ever done that would inspire such dislike? I mean, there are characters who have done faaaar worse; Angel and Spike, for example; and yet they still inspire love and devotion. Buffy is the hero for crying out loud; saving the world everyday, putting her life on the line,; so why is she disliked?

[Jaz ♀♀]

-I think Spike is over-rated.

-I hated the story line of Willow becoming a junkie and it's so stupid that they used magic as a metaphor for drugs after it was a metaphor for Willow/Tara's sexuality and relationship.

-Still peeved that Joss killed Tara off.

[Skytteflickan88]

Jun 30, 2010 14:52:49 GMT -5 Jaz ♀♀ said:

-I hated the story line of Willow becoming a junkie and it's so stupid that they used magic as a metaphor for drugs after it was a metaphor for Willow/Tara's sexuality and relationship.

I have actually started to accepted that they did that. At first it seemed a bit out of the blue, but now I'm fine with that story arc. But I think it would have been more interesting to focus on her addiction to power and "the easy way out" instead of making magic more of a drug thing. The writer's didn't focus on that Willow had a problem with doing things "right". I don't think it was the addiction that made her do dangerous spells in the past even tough her friends were worried, it was her need for control. That wasn't really dealt with in season 6. Willow more said "Yes, getting addicted to magic was wrong" instead of "I have a issue with control and power".

I also don't have a problem with magic both being used for Tara and Willow's relationship and the drug metaphor. Sex is a important part of both arcs. Willow "woke up" sexually in season 4, and in season 6, we can instead of calling it a drug metaphor, call it a drug AND sex addiction metaphor. I don't know enough to compare the both addictions, but I assume they're similar, and that Willow's addiction to magic was similar to those kinds of addictions. To sum up, in both seasons, magic represented needs. At first sweet, sensual. Then violating, draining.

Not to sound dramatic, but I compare it like this: Willow made love with magic in season 4, and was raped by it in season 6. So in a way, the sexually awakening metaphor and drug metaphor works together.

[The Girl In Question]

Jun 30, 2010 8:56:57 GMT -5 buffyfan21 said:

I don't get why people dislike Buffy (the character). Okay, I get that she is not everyone's favorite, but how can you dislike the main character of a show? I mean, some fans just have an all out hatred for her. I love Buffy so maybe I'm just biased but still, I don't get it and it bugs me. I would think that disliking the main character from any show, would distract from enjoyment of said show.

There I shows I like where I hate the main character and I watch for literally everything else. Buffy isn't one of those shows, though.

Jun 30, 2010 8:56:57 GMT -5 @Jaz said:

-I hated the story line of Willow becoming a junkie and it's so stupid that they used magic as a metaphor for drugs after it was a metaphor for Willow/Tara's sexuality and relationship.

^^That.

[tkts]

Annnnd... I just realized I put my last post here when I meant to put it in the "Little stuff that bugged you" thread. Oops.

[Tea - Total]

*Personally i think Buffy's plots are better then Angels.Some Angel plots are interesting but it has arrange of boring episode which relate to the main plot. But in Buffy the episode range are magnificent and and well- written. Also i think Buffy's big bad are better. Like for example Glory, the first rogue slayer which is Faith. I only like W&H in Angel but that's the only big bad. Jasmine was okay,didn't like her death it was rushed, by Connor. And faith kicked his Butt so that tells you allot about jasmine.
Angel season 4-5 are the best seasons. But i didn't like Spike in Angel it didn't feel right, Spike more suited with the scoobies, he has more of a connection with them..
* The First evil corruption was excellent to the theme of dark presences corrupted Chloe.
*Willow character development was excellent in season 6 to show her magics abilities and i actually like how Willow turned into a junkie. Then people can relate to her if their have a drug problem,i know its not the same but you know what i mean.

[The Night Lord]

^ Jasmine would have been able to kick Faith's ass. It's because that Connor is Jasmine's father, that's why he was able to punch her head in. Only he and Cordelia could harm her. Speaking of Cordelia, I stil detested how her character was treated in season 4 and that she was killed off

[The Girl In Question]

I've said this before in another thread, but it fits here, too, because I seem to be the only one who thinks this: I am more grossed out by the fact that Cordy was possessed with Jasmine while having sex with Connor than her not being possessed and having sex with him. Both are icky, but technically he slept his his mother figure and his spawn-daughter-thing at the same time. It's almost like triple incest! And the thought of Jasmine sleeping with anyone is ew... I just find the whole pairing disturbing on more levels than people usually do.

[Tea - Total]

Jul 2, 2010 1:35:15 GMT -5 The Night Lord said:

^ Jasmine would have been able to kick Faith's ass. It's because that Connor is Jasmine's father, that's why he was able to punch her head in. Only he and Cordelia could harm her. Speaking of Cordelia, I stil detested how her character was treated in season 4 and that she was killed off

But still, that scene was rushed IMO. I loved how Jasmine was kicking Angel ass then suddenly a fist went threw Jasmine head.