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Post by wenxina on Nov 9, 2010 12:49:05 GMT -5
The Faith series hasn't been confirmed. It was speculation. Thus far, the only official word has been on Angel, Spike, and Willow.
And tone the passive aggression and attitude down several notches, will you? The brattitude is very unbecoming, and I've no issues dealing with it as I see fit. You're bordering on rude, just in case it escaped your keen notice.
As for what you think... well, there are people who disagree with your opinion. Joss being one. AndrewCrossett being another. Me being a third. If your opinion is valid, then so are the others. Play nice.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Nov 9, 2010 12:52:00 GMT -5
Doesn't matter to me what Joss thinks. It's what I think as a reader of these comics that matters to me. It's nice that Joss is happy with mediocrity but I'm not. Perhaps Joss doesn't think it's mediocrity. I know I don't. I know the people who have made season 8 the top-selling indie comic for 4 years running don't think so either. It's Joss's story to tell and his decision to make.
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Post by kwithanh on Nov 9, 2010 13:52:13 GMT -5
I have a quick question, not sure if it should be asked here or elsewhere, but: for season 9 do we know if Karl Moline is coming back? I actually really enjoy his Buffyverse characterizations.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Nov 9, 2010 13:54:55 GMT -5
I have a quick question, not sure if it should be asked here or elsewhere, but: for season 9 do we know if Karl Moline is coming back? I actually really enjoy his Buffyverse characterizations. No artists have been confirmed yet. Georges Jeanty has expressed interest in drawing the "main" title, probably a miniseries from which all the other titles will spin off. Moline would be a popular choice for the Willow-centric title, assuming there is one.
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Post by kwithanh on Nov 9, 2010 14:16:46 GMT -5
Awesome, thanks!
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Post by jellymoff on Nov 9, 2010 14:54:11 GMT -5
I know about the multiple titles, Wenxina. I am very up-to-date when it comes to that information (which is why people who think Faith might die should be reminded about her Season 9 miniseries). I just don't want Jeanty on it. He's not a good-enough artist for such a high profile book. I could tolerate him on one of the minis but not another 25 issues of Season 9. I prefer artists like Ethan van Sciver, Shane Davis, Jim Lee, Ian Churchill, and the late, great Michael Turner. When you're doing a licensed book, the most important part is making the drawings look like the actors. It's a canonical continuation of the TV series, so the closest the book feels to the series, the better. And that means making the characters look EXACTLY like the actors. And Jeanty just isn't up to snuff. I wish Jo Chen were fast enough to take on the monthly book. Her likenesses are PERFECT and her covers are always the highlight of the art each month. Her 3-page MDHP story with Joss was amazingly illustrated. She is the perfect artist for Buffy. I actually really like Jeanty's take on the characters, and I like that he is not trying to draw them to look like photo realistic replications of the actors. He gives them emotion and warmth that I think would be lost if he spent all of his time making Buffy look like SMG. For me Buffy Summers now transcends the medium that made her famous (Which was not the medium she was created for). I don't need Batman to look exactly the same in every interpretation, as long as the spirit of the character stays intact. I hope that we see many interpretations of Buffy for years to come. Nothing would make me happier to have her share the spotlight with other legendary superheros.
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Post by abuffyfan on Nov 9, 2010 15:00:23 GMT -5
The Faith series hasn't been confirmed. It was speculation. Thus far, the only official word has been on Angel, Spike, and Willow. And tone the passive aggression and attitude down several notches, will you? The brattitude is very unbecoming, and I've no issues dealing with it as I see fit. You're bordering on rude, just in case it escaped your keen notice. As for what you think... well, there are people who disagree with your opinion. Joss being one. AndrewCrossett being another. Me being a third. If your opinion is valid, then so are the others. Play nice. I'm sorry, but you're the one who's been rude and argumentative with me since the day I started posting here. Tit for tat.
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Post by abuffyfan on Nov 9, 2010 15:00:52 GMT -5
Doesn't matter to me what Joss thinks. It's what I think as a reader of these comics that matters to me. It's nice that Joss is happy with mediocrity but I'm not. Perhaps Joss doesn't think it's mediocrity. I know I don't. I know the people who have made season 8 the top-selling indie comic for 4 years running don't think so either. It's Joss's story to tell and his decision to make. Good for Joss. But that doesn't mean I have to like it.
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Post by veiriti on Nov 9, 2010 15:11:18 GMT -5
Anyone else hope we get a new artist next season? I am so tired of his faceless background characters and his inconsistent likenesses. I tend to agree this time with abuffyfan. Don’t get me wrong – Jeanty is very good artist, he's not a mediocre at all – I love his close up facial expressions, but as abuffyfan pointed out his background characters are so rushed and faceless. And I’m a bit annoyed of his bobbed head figures. I totally agree with it! I adore Jo Chen’s art! All my Buffy-comics are with her covers, except the new one – I’ve bought Jeanty’s cover with Spike&Buffy fighting. I wish Jo Chen to be the main artist of the new Buffy series or the art to be more realistic. Her mini web comics Always Darkest was remarkable! I do love IDW Spike and Angel artists – Franco Urru, Elena Casagrande. Their art is really fantastic. But unfortunately they are working for another company… About Carl Moline – I loved his art in Fray series, but I didn’t like his art in Riley one shot and Willow – I can say Jeanty is much, much better in the likeness of the characters than him. About the oncoming Spike’s DH series I’d love to see Paul Lee as a main artist. Here is an example of his work
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Post by Nick Scarlett on Nov 9, 2010 15:39:10 GMT -5
I understand what you mean, Cordangel. I became interested in the Buffy comics only after hearing about Angel's role in them. I knew he was the masked villain, but I was hoping he would have a motivation that readers could understand and maybe sympathize with. Maybe something where many of us would think he might be right. I don't think Angel is coming off evil here, but it seems he's easily been played for an idiot, as if he'll fall for anything as long as he's promised Buffy as a reward. I think you're right that he's better as a leading man in his own book, as in After the Fall, than as the Buffy boyfriend.
As far as Georges goes, I've been pleased with his work. I've been able to easily relate his renderings to the actors, so the characters feel like themselves. Also, the Clive Barker-ish monsters he's added give the battles an apocalyptic look that the show's budget couldn't afford to portray. That's a way in which the comics have an advantage over the show. Yes, the Chen artwork is more meticulous, but I doubt they'd ever make a deadline if that much detail were put into every panel. And the biggest weakness of the comic is, to me, the month-long waits, not the fact that live actors aren't presenting the material.
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Post by 47kwest on Nov 9, 2010 15:56:23 GMT -5
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I feel I have to say something about the Georges bashing.
Like or don't like his art, but remember this, he is an incredibly giving artist, with his time and energy. Having met the man in person, and knowing plenty of artists, I cannot think of anyone else who would do for the fans the way he does. He answers our questions, donates his time, he judged our contest, donating a piece of his own work by the way, (did Jo Chen do that?) and he's done an extraordinary job of becoming a true fan, just like us. I think it is very sad that so many people have to judge and bully the creative people behind this venture..i.e. Jo Chen had to repaint Spike's eye color because they were brown instead of green. Really? My goodness people cut them some slack!! We as fans should really step back and understand that the creative process involved in this is by no means simple or walking a straight line. I seem to remember everyone HATING Jo Chen's early covers. I don't think it's just a job for Georges anymore, he's become one of us, and like all great artists he knows "not every picture can be a masterpiece, but I will continue to try and master my art." I for one will always be proud to display the piece of original art that I own. And I hope he comes back.
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Post by wenxina on Nov 9, 2010 16:14:57 GMT -5
The Faith series hasn't been confirmed. It was speculation. Thus far, the only official word has been on Angel, Spike, and Willow. And tone the passive aggression and attitude down several notches, will you? The brattitude is very unbecoming, and I've no issues dealing with it as I see fit. You're bordering on rude, just in case it escaped your keen notice. As for what you think... well, there are people who disagree with your opinion. Joss being one. AndrewCrossett being another. Me being a third. If your opinion is valid, then so are the others. Play nice. I'm sorry, but you're the one who's been rude and argumentative with me since the day I started posting here. Tit for tat. A) No double posting. Edit your previous post. B) It's called discussion. I don't have to agree with you. If I present an argument logically and in a civil tone, you don't have to agree with it. That's what a discussion is. I honestly don't remember when you started posting, and I'm sorry if you don't like the fact that I don't agree with you. But I've not been rude to you. You, on the other hand, have the tendency to abuse the "dislike" function without actually presenting a decent counter-argument. That's evident on this thread alone. C) Consider yourself warned, officially. Anymore shenanigans, and I'll be dropping a ban on you. I'm not a fan of banning people, but I don't have any problems banning on the basis of rudeness. PS: Please also note that I'm not the only person who seems to have issues with your posting etiquette. I never dock anyone's karma points, no matter how I feel about them. It appears that yours is constantly going down, despite your newness here. While I do think it's rather passive aggressive to snipe at karma, it is an indicator of how much people think of your posts. veiriti: Paul Lee also drew #5 ("The Chain") and one of the MDHP stories ("Carpe Noctem"). He's okay, and while I'm not a big fan of his work (not enough personality for my taste), I can see him coming back to the fold. I guess we'll just have to wait for Dark Horse to release their roster... probably sometime in the summer of 2011. I'm guessing there'll be some big noise around the time of SDCC 2011.
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Post by 47kwest on Nov 9, 2010 22:36:43 GMT -5
Well now that's just childish. He can't even be creative in his vituperation. Just saying.
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Post by wenxina on Nov 9, 2010 22:38:40 GMT -5
Forget it. I deleted his last post. No point discussing that issue anymore.
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Post by Shane on Nov 9, 2010 22:54:06 GMT -5
I love Jeanty's art but I, too, would like to see someone new come in next season. I want to see how a more photorealistic art fits with Buffy - I can't really imagine it and compare it all in my head. But no, IMO, Jeanty is a pretty good fit for Buffy for its first foray in comics. Didn't care much for his recent work on Batman (Batman: The Return of Bruce Wayne #4) but I think that may be more about how different people see Batman. And he was a last minute replacement this time so I didn't mind much.
But Buffy appeals to me in a very different way compared to other comics (including Angel). I don't know exactly what it is yet. I think, with Buffy, I need the art to be very expressive but with Batman (and Angel) the still images sometimes have to be emotionless. (There was a scene in Blackest Night #1 outside the cemetery where Bruce Wayne was buried and I just couldn't help thinking how much would have been lost if it were drawn by Jeanty. And the scene didn't really call for photorealism or anything like that. Jeanty has done similar things for DCU and there are some moods that I just don't think he conveys very well. Or maybe it's just my knowledge of him being such a fun guy that ruins everything - I can't help thinking what Jeanty would have been thinking when he was drawing them.)
So since the hiatus is such a long one, I would like for Jeanty to start things off and other artists to come in later as the story demands different things. Ultimately, I think Jeanty will turn out to be a much better fit for Buffy overall. (But I really hope he stays away from the Angel books. Sorry, JMO. I'm only interested in certain kinds of stories about him.)
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Post by BlueJay on Nov 9, 2010 22:55:46 GMT -5
...Anyyyway.... I can't say anything bad about Georges. I mean, the man put Domo-kun on Kennedy's shirt in #31 for me. For me!
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Post by 47kwest on Nov 9, 2010 23:24:03 GMT -5
...Anyyyway.... I can't say anything bad about Georges. I mean, the man put Domo-kun on Kennedy's shirt in #31 for me. For me! That's awesome!!!! See? How cool is that!!!
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Post by zamolxis on Nov 10, 2010 1:47:14 GMT -5
Jo Chen had to repaint Spike's eye color because they were brown instead of green. Really? My goodness people cut them some slack!! Spike eyes are blue.
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Post by 47kwest on Nov 10, 2010 2:52:32 GMT -5
Blue, green, makes my point she had to change them. Not because James Marsters complained, but that we did. Just curious, you wrote Spike rather than Spike's. Did you mean it to be non possessive? I only ask because that speaks volumes to how people feel about these characters.
Unless in all seriousness you are James Marsters. Nah, just typo right? Because that would be a hoot!!
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Post by zamolxis on Nov 10, 2010 3:41:09 GMT -5
Right, English is not my native language. I misspell or use wrong syntax due to thinking in my native language and probably translating wrong. Apologize for that.
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