Tea - Total
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Post by Tea - Total on Jan 10, 2010 14:40:09 GMT -5
But i have a theory could it be the manifestations of the first evil. Guess who dead , Angel, so basically it could happen.
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Post by Wyndam on Jan 10, 2010 15:24:51 GMT -5
Twilight has touched things, so it can't be The First. Plus, re-using a Big Bad for two seasons in a row would just be silly.
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Post by faithswatcher on Jan 10, 2010 22:44:17 GMT -5
Twilight has touched things, so it can't be The First. Plus, re-using a Big Bad for two seasons in a row would just be silly. Alot of people forget part of its endgame was to become corporeal. By tipping the scales in evils favour. Well, Vamps are "in", the Slayer army has had to into hiding..... the scales may have tipped.
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Post by wenxina on Jan 10, 2010 22:49:42 GMT -5
Yes, become corporeal in the figurative sense, or literal sense? If it swept over the world, and there was chaos, and people reverted to their basest nature, then the First would have won. And in that sense, it would be corporeal in that every single person would act without compassion, with only greed, lust, fear, and want to govern their behavior. The First's plan was left pretty ambiguous, is all I'm saying.
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Billie Erin
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Post by Billie Erin on Jan 11, 2010 4:49:47 GMT -5
Ok having been through denial, anger, bargaining and depression I've finally moved onto acceptance. I really am a Bangel fan and Angel's a great character so let's just put our faith in Joss and trust that he can make this work I'm certainly excited . . . I've moved to acceptance, because there's no other choice... The thing is, though, moving to one stage doesn't make the previous ones go away. I've got anger, depression, and acceptance all at once. Same- particularly denial . . . part of me keeps looking at the Jeanty cover and thinking "oh come on . . . this has GOT to be a joke" Also a little fear . . . I mean this could ruin everything
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Billie Erin
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Post by Billie Erin on Jan 11, 2010 4:54:56 GMT -5
But i have a theory could it be the manifestations of the first evil. Guess who dead , Angel, so basically it could happen. I think it must really be Angel, because of the image posted advertising Spike's new series. The firm statement of "He definitely isn't Twilight" and the image of Spike burning Twilight's mask fit with the idea that Twilight is Angel and Spike's pretty cheesed off with him Somebody posted the link on another thread but I cant remember where so I'm going to re-post it in case anybody wants to look for themselves ryalltime.blogspot.com/2010/01/canon-fire.html
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Tea - Total
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Post by Tea - Total on Jan 11, 2010 6:38:36 GMT -5
Yes, become corporeal in the figurative sense, or literal sense? If it swept over the world, and there was chaos, and people reverted to their basest nature, then the First would have won. And in that sense, it would be corporeal in that every single person would act without compassion, with only greed, lust, fear, and want to govern their behavior. The Firsts plan was left pretty ambiguous, is all I'm saying. Yes i do agree the first plan was pretty ambigious, but the scale of good and evil could tipped to the evil side. And that could give the first a chance to be coperal. But the first true nature of power which lies in its ability to deceive, torment and manipulate others. If i recall the first can merge with certain beings, imbuing them with superhuman strength, stamina and durability, so it could happen that the first give him the power, so that could explain his power and strength and the abilities to fly.
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Beaumonde
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Post by Beaumonde on Jan 11, 2010 16:20:04 GMT -5
I just read Scott Allies apology and I don't get it. If you really don't want to spread this spoiler then don't post it on your own twitter account. And what's with Dark Horse posting about it on facebook? Sure it's out of the bag, but some people still didn't want to know. I wouldn't of known if it weren't for seeing the blatant #twilightisangel hashtag he posted.
I so hope it's a hoax.
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Post by Wyndam on Jan 11, 2010 16:44:22 GMT -5
They just decided to capitalize on the mistake. The covers slipped out so it was smart for them to turn it into a publicity campaign. It was the right thing for them to do, marketing wise.
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Tea - Total
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Post by Tea - Total on Jan 14, 2010 6:23:19 GMT -5
If i recall the first had a conversations with willow about stop using magics. The first mentioned about her future path if she didn't stop using magics , guess what she went dark in the future.
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Post by Whedon Fan on Jan 16, 2010 15:43:25 GMT -5
I love that it is out now. It gives us so much more to specualte on now instead of "who is twilight" now we have why's he doing this, what do team angel think or it, do they know. how can angel go out into the day time, is he human, did he somehow make a suit out of that special galss in angel season 5 as connor suggested. these next few issues are going to be amazing! i've not been excited about buffy season 8 like this since time of your life. BUFFY S8 IS BACK!
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Post by DorothyFan1 on Jan 19, 2010 14:38:37 GMT -5
I have a sick feeling this is what may happen: Twilight will convince Buffy he's right and she WILL take the bait and follow him. This puts her on Twilight's side against Willow. Therein lies the real "betrayal". I hope I'm wrong.
I'm also curious to seeing what it is Twilight will show Buffy. But I'm sensing we're not seeing the whole truth...because if you recall - Willow (from the future) ALSO showed Fray something we didn't get to see. I'm guessing because we saw THAT future first...that this one is the real thing even if we weren't given all the details to explain Willow's actions.
I'm convinced now that this is a war between Twilight and Willow. Unfortunately for Willow she has no idea who she's up against. Once the reveal happens...Willow will realize she's been outmaneuvered. I suspect Willow's actions in that "possible" future may negate Twilight's cold blooded plan (ending magic and the Slayer line) because I doubt even Twilight knows what Willow did...she let Buffy kill her. Willow's sacrifice in that future may give Buffy the inspiration to realize it's Twilight who is her enemy...not Willow and magic.
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Post by gelious on Jan 19, 2010 14:57:18 GMT -5
The problem is we do not know how exactly the destruction of magic will affect demons. May be they will not disappear completely. But they can lose their magic powers and abilities. How it will work on vampires, I can't tell.
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Post by DorothyFan1 on Jan 19, 2010 15:02:53 GMT -5
The problem is we do not know how exactly the destruction of magic will affect demons. May be they will not disappear completely. But they can lose their magic powers and abilities. How it will work on vampires, I can't tell. All of this may be moot because Willow did something that changed the course of the Buffyverse. She let Buffy kill her and this act is still playing out and we don't know what the full consequences of this will be. I'll bet dollars to donuts Twilight doesn't know what Willow did.
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Post by Jaz ♀♀ on Jan 19, 2010 19:48:43 GMT -5
All of this may be moot because Willow did something that changed the course of the Buffyverse. She let Buffy kill her and this act is still playing out and we don't know what the full consequences of this will be. I'll bet dollars to donuts Twilight doesn't know what Willow did. true and not only that Twilight doesn't know, he also doesn't know that Buffy then told Willow flat out that she killed her in the future, which then I believe at that moment even further changed the course of the Buffyverse. What we saw in ToYL could very well be not the true future. I think I read somewhere that the Fray future could turn into an alt. reality. Which makes sense because of the actions and choices that are happening now. Everything is about choice!! If someone told you, you have a dark future ahead of you, you then have the choice to change it or let it be....but it's your choice now. Willow knows what could happen to her in the future...her knowing that has changed everything. Now we just have to wait to see what choices Willow and Buffy will make knowing what they know and see if that will stop Twilight. I think Buffy going into the future has given her and Willow the only advantage they have had so far of stopping Twilight. They know what could happen. The hard part which we'll see in issues to come is what they'll do with that knowledge. I see Willow trying to do the right thing. But i'm very scared of what Buffy is going to do, especially seeing the future image of her crying on the floor alone in Anywhere But Here. I'm still holding on hope that she won't side with Angel and leave Willow. Actually I would be so pissed off if she did that. I mean seriously? Betray your best friend for your ex-lover? I get that they were in love but that was years ago and they've both changed and, I thought, moved on. I so can't see Buffy doing that, especially everything that has happened. Her siding with Angel would completely ruin my image of Buffy. *sigh* Anyways, like I said before, we just have to wait to see what choices they'll make now. This Twilight/Angel twist is very exciting!...and border-lining on scary-worried at the same time! ;D
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Post by Marcos on Jan 19, 2010 20:07:10 GMT -5
damn, the betrayal. I haven't thought of that. I assumed it was Angel's betrayl, but maybe not. And all the angst Dark Willow had about Buffy in ToYL... *Really worried and scared now.*
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Post by DorothyFan1 on Jan 19, 2010 22:06:27 GMT -5
damn, the betrayal. I haven't thought of that. I assumed it was Angel's betrayl, but maybe not. And all the angst Dark Willow had about Buffy in ToYL... *Really worried and scared now.* I can't help but think of a comment Joss supposedly made about this season. He said it was about Buffy and Willow's story. I was puzzled by the remark as I didn't quite understand his reference. But then as I thought about it...it started to make sense. Buffy and Willow have become almost inseparable. They've become so tuned to each others needs that it would be impossible to consider Buffy and Willow living apart. They need to be together if they have any chance of beating evil. The scene between them in the Demon's lair in Anywhere But Here was a perfect example of this. Willow has become the Guardian of the Slayers. I'm convinced of this. Willow's survival is paramount if the Slayer line is to survive. Willow is the one who revived Buffy and the one who kept the Slayer line alive. Twilight has figured this out and wants to destroy Willow in order to stop magic. Killing the Slayer army is Twilight's tactic to weaken Willow as it's her magic that's keeping them empowered. Once they're wiped out...Willow's magic can't reabsorb back to her when the Slayers are killed off. The magic dissipates. (My theory).
I now believe the event that empowered Willow was Twilight's "victory" in wiping out magic. The color of the bands of energy was green...Dawn's color from being the Key. If Twilight kills Dawn...who may be the "key" to all magic...then her death may have allowed Willow to get her powers back...just long enough to fight back against Twilight. (My theory)
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Post by wenxina on Jan 19, 2010 22:14:14 GMT -5
Willow didn't keep the Slayer line alive. Faith was still alive, and carried the Slayer line within her. Faith's death could have Called another Slayer into duty. Resurrecting Buffy was just Willow's selfish way of dealing with her death. She says as much in "Anywhere But Here".
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Post by DorothyFan1 on Jan 19, 2010 23:03:31 GMT -5
Willow didn't keep the Slayer line alive. Faith was still alive, and carried the Slayer line within her. Faith's death could have Called another Slayer into duty. Resurrecting Buffy was just Willow's selfish way of dealing with her death. She says as much in "Anywhere But Here". When Faith returned from jail...she went to Angel and there was this storyline that had Faith going into a coma. It's possible it was here that a new Slayer was called...and we still don't know who it is. I suspect it's Kennedy.
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Post by wenxina on Jan 19, 2010 23:15:32 GMT -5
Willow didn't keep the Slayer line alive. Faith was still alive, and carried the Slayer line within her. Faith's death could have Called another Slayer into duty. Resurrecting Buffy was just Willow's selfish way of dealing with her death. She says as much in "Anywhere But Here". When Faith returned from jail...she went to Angel and there was this storyline that had Faith going into a coma. It's possible it was here that a new Slayer was called...and we still don't know who it is. I suspect it's Kennedy. A coma doesn't Call a new Slayer. Death does. Faith's been in a coma before that too... she was basically out from the end of S3 to when she shows up again in "This Year's Girl". As far as we know, no new Slayers were called after Faith. If there were, the Watchers' Council is usually pretty good about finding them (if they haven't already got them in-training). The first place to send a Slayer would be where there's the highest amount of demonic activity, a quality that pretty much defines Hellmouth. Kennedy was clearly NOT a Slayer when she showed up in S7. She was a Potential, like the rest of the girls. An older candidate, and better trained than most, but not a Slayer.
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