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Post by Mathieu on Jun 17, 2009 22:13:20 GMT -5
Another thing that bugged me... For the final battle in Chosen, why did Buffy dress more like she was going to church or on a date than to a war ? She wore heels to fight a legion of ubervamps!! I look at Faith, she was dressed to fight, ready to go. But Buffy tried looking pretty for the big bad. I understand this was supposed to be a thematic scene and all, centered on the scythe. That its just stupid tv and not real.. I guess it ties into my question of why the slayers didn't take more weapons that could pack a punch. Because if this was a real battle to me it seemed it would have called for more pragmatism and practicality. This is Buffy. She's an icon. She had been chasing vampires in mini skirt for seven years, she was not going to change that even for the final fight. |
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Post by Just Willow on Jun 17, 2009 22:16:07 GMT -5
Another thing that bugged me... For the final battle in Chosen, why did Buffy dress more like she was going to church or on a date than to a war ? She wore heels to fight a legion of ubervamps!! I look at Faith, she was dressed to fight, ready to go. But Buffy tried looking pretty for the big bad. I understand this was supposed to be a thematic scene and all, centered on the scythe. That its just stupid tv and not real.. I guess it ties into my question of why the slayers didn't take more weapons that could pack a punch. Because if this was a real battle to me it seemed it would have called for more pragmatism and practicality. Faith is always dressed to fight though. i noticed that every character wore their particular style for the final battle every one of them was wearing an outfit that if you saw it, you would say 'that's so Willow!' or 'that's so Xander', etc. i think it was part of the final episode ever thing. |
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Post by lightandmagic on Jun 17, 2009 23:20:50 GMT -5
One of the things that always bothered me was the introduction of Guardians in End of Days. I liked the idea behind it, a female force to contrast with the Watcher Council. But they spring up out of nowhere, the last one is then killed, and they're never mentioned again. I was hoping the comics would at least say something more about them. =/
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Post by gumgnome on Jun 18, 2009 5:42:35 GMT -5
Whether it's justified or not is irrelevant. She has made a big deal in the past about it being a no-no to kill humans, and she doesn't even blink when she starts a body count herself. It's entirely relevant since every time she's made a big deal about a "no kill" policy, killing wasn't the only solution. In this case, hurling an axe or knocking them off the trailer had a high potential of causing a fatality anyway. It was that, or being killed for not doing anything. She was protecting her sister and friends (essentially her family). I don't think any of them would give her any grief about killing a few would-be mass murderers. It's a fair point I guess. I still think she could have tried to minimise casualties or shown some apprehension over killing people. |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jun 18, 2009 7:40:27 GMT -5
It makes no sense for Giles to not be at the wedding or at least mentioned in the episode, but it would've taken away from his amazing comeback in Grave, the shock value might have been close to zero. Now that it passed it's very annoying, but I get why the writers did it. Yeah, I think it would have detracted from his entrance in "Villains". I think it was explained in the original script that he couldn't come because there was some major demonic threat in England. There was a reason for it. Yep, it was in the script thebuffyverseaddict.blogspot.com/2009/04/weekly-feature-excerpt-from-original.html |
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Post by Skeptic on Jun 18, 2009 19:32:35 GMT -5
Wow. Could you believe that I never noticed Giles wasn't in Hell's Bells?  |
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Post by urnofosiris on Jun 18, 2009 20:01:29 GMT -5
Wow. Could you believe that I never noticed Giles wasn't in Hell's Bells? I have to agree with you there. I never really noticed. >__< |
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Post by Skeptic on Jun 18, 2009 20:36:50 GMT -5
Wow. Could you believe that I never noticed Giles wasn't in Hell's Bells? I have to agree with you there. I never really noticed. >__< lol. I feel like a bad fan, like I need to have my Buffy Street Cred card suspended for a week or something. |
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Post by Mathieu on Jun 18, 2009 20:39:30 GMT -5
I have to agree with you there. I never really noticed. >__< lol. I feel like a bad fan, like I need to have my Buffy Street Cred card suspended for a week or something. I hope that I noticed the few times I saw the episode (quite a while ago) but frankly I didn't remember either, never really bothered me. |
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Post by urnofosiris on Jun 18, 2009 23:36:06 GMT -5
Eeep now I feel like a bad Buffy fan for not having noticed.. AND I watched that episode really recently too. -facepalm-
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Post by buffyfan21 on Jun 19, 2009 1:10:53 GMT -5
I too was always bothered by the fact that Giles failed to make an appearance at Anya and Xander's not-a-wedding. Being father figure of the group it seemed paramount that he be there. I like to think that some very important business back in England kept him from showing up, as that is the only explanation that would rightfully explain his absence. Was he even mentioned in the episode? Did he send flowers, anything? Another thing that bugged me... For the final battle in Chosen, why did Buffy dress more like she was going to church or on a date than to a war ? She wore heels to fight a legion of ubervamps!! Maybe she figured that if she was going out, she might as well go out fashionable.  |
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Post by Secret Scoobie on Jun 19, 2009 5:53:20 GMT -5
Aw thanks for posting that Raz.
It's a nice scene wish they'd been able to include it - I think it's important for the consistency of Giles character.
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Post by Mathieu on Jun 19, 2009 7:44:57 GMT -5
Giles is important, I liked the fact that Dawn and Will have a little snippet conversation about him. Although the fact that he isn't in season 6 as much kinda bugs me, he was the grown up, season 6 was about growing up, shame they couldn't have had him around to ask for help. but never mind, everyone has to find their own footing right. Well that was the whole point. He had to go to let them grow up without the strong father figure around. |
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Post by Johanne on Jun 19, 2009 7:53:03 GMT -5
Something that really bugged me, was that the things that happened in The Zeppo, with those guys going around raising the dead, was never discussed. When Joyce died, Buffy died, Tara died -- Xander didn't mention that there's actually a really easy way to resurrect someone. The writers just put it in The Zeppo because it was funny, which in my opinion was a huge mistake. The whole raising the dead issue was dealt with on Buffy quite a few times after that, and they failed to mention any of it.
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Post by Just Willow on Jun 19, 2009 11:29:03 GMT -5
Something that really bugged me, was that the things that happened in The Zeppo, with those guys going around raising the dead, was never discussed. When Joyce died, Buffy died, Tara died -- Xander didn't mention that there's actually a really easy way to resurrect someone. The writers just put it in The Zeppo because it was funny, which in my opinion was a huge mistake. The whole raising the dead issue was dealt with on Buffy quite a few times after that, and they failed to mention any of it. yeah, that was annoying. but i remember Jack said he had ot wait till the 'stars aligned' and therefore the people's bodies would be pretty decayed by the time they could bring 'em up. Plus i don' think Tara would fancy walking around with a bullet hole in her chest for her whole life. But anyways, i agree, that was a dumb mistake. |
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Post by buffyfan21 on Jun 19, 2009 12:43:51 GMT -5
From the script; And the whole place is decorated with BEAUTIFUL FLOWERS. DAWN I thought Xander and Anya couldn't afford flowers. WILLOW Giles sent 'em. Aren't they gorgeous? DAWN Yeah. DAWN (cont'd) I wish Giles was here. WILLOW Me too. And I'm sure he'd much rather be here than fighting that nasty demon-- DAWN Da-e-mon. In England it's daemon. WILLOW Daemon, too right. But Giles' got responsibilities. And so Anya and Xander have flowers. And flowers. And more flowers. Ooh, it's going to be so pretty! DAWN Yeah, except for the amazing girl asparagus. Shame they didn't include that in the episode. Giles should have at least been mentioned. |
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Jun 23, 2009 1:03:57 GMT -5
How come Adam was a super-state-of-the-art government creation, presumably using all the latest technologies, yet still had a 3.5" floppy drive instead of a CD- or DVD-ROM drive?  Altho I suppose it was at least a very-advanced 3.5" floppy drive, because with the plain old ordinary one I had on my first computer, you had to eject one disk before you could put another one in. Adam puts a disk in, then puts another one in right after it, without ejecting the first one. (And on the subject of Adam, it always drives me nuts that that little slot opens on his arm and this huge-ass gatling gun comes out of it...  ) |
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Post by hitnrun017 on Jun 23, 2009 1:15:14 GMT -5
(And on the subject of Adam, it always drives me nuts that that little slot opens on his arm and this huge-ass gatling gun comes out of it... ) Oh come on, upgrading is a perfect excuse.  That whole scene just bothers me. I love the idea of the Scoobies doing the spell together and all becoming a part of "Super Buffy". But the unconvincing Sumerian, Matrix moves, awful music and the most obvious stunt doubles just take me right out of the scene. Good thing everything else about that episode is pretty much perfect. |
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Post by Just Willow on Jun 23, 2009 17:24:44 GMT -5
agree with hitnrun there. That whole scene could have been so good, but there was just so many little things that dragged it down...
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Post by Skeptic on Jun 23, 2009 20:43:14 GMT -5
That whole scene just bothers me. I love the idea of the Scoobies doing the spell together and all becoming a part of "Super Buffy". But the unconvincing Sumerian, Matrix moves, awful music and the most obvious stunt doubles just take me right out of the scene. Good thing everything else about that episode is pretty much perfect. I kind of agree, but my take on it is that it's so cheesy that it's made itself badass in the process. Seriously. Buffy waves and doves appear and fly away in slo-mo. Then when she rips out his power core, she's totally trippin' and staring at the thing like it might sprout ears and start talking to her. Then she passes out, right in the arms of her lover. High draaamaaa! The dark Buffy stuff, even at its cheesiest, I eat it up. The whole merging of the Scoobies to become Super Buffy was drawn from a source of dark power, wasn't it? I mean, seriously, did you see her eyes? Girl was definitely not at home. Still, the mini-gun that pops out of Adam's arm is just hysterically funny and bugs the hell out of me. Ooh, while I'm on the subject of dark, possessed Buffy, how about "After Life". When Willow's telling Tara before bed that she spoke to Giles and told him that Buffy's alive again, the script makes her sound like it was surprising, but that's all. Seriously, I'd have thought Giles would have a heart attack and ask to talk to Buffy or something, and hop on the red eye back to California. Not just "head back as soon as he can, not sure, maybe a couple days" ho hum. |
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