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Post by cheungcheung on May 3, 2009 8:40:15 GMT -5
I mean, is FOX LOOSING money from Dollhouse? That's the question. Isn't everyone saying it's one of the cheaper shows the network has. i think the point is that no matter how you slice it, Fox (the network) no matter what we want to believe makes their money on ads - not dvr, dvds, online ads, hulu, etc. therefore, live viewing (neilson) is still their bread and butter. and dollhouse pulls in bad ratings and a decreasing demo week after week. they can put a rerun of house, bones, etc. or return to their friday reality shows and get similar or better ratings and demos and thus more $$$. plus, these options are way cheaper. i'd be extremely surprised if Dollhouse is renewed. |
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Post by Skeptic on May 6, 2009 9:27:06 GMT -5
If Nielsen's TV ratings are their bread and butter, then Nielsen needs to change how they do things. 12,000 or so TV viewers (that's 0.006%) does not speak for the viewing habits of 200,000,000 TV viewers, no matter how you pretty it up.
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Post by Rebecca on May 6, 2009 9:47:16 GMT -5
Precisely my issue, UnKle
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Post by antoniofjm on May 9, 2009 11:49:17 GMT -5
What are the ratings for yesterdays ep?
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Post by hitnrun017 on May 9, 2009 11:50:41 GMT -5
Should be finding out rather quickly.
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Post by hitnrun017 on May 9, 2009 12:27:06 GMT -5
Episode 01 - 4.7 million, 2.0 in 18-49 demo.
Episode 02 - 4.2 million, 1.7 in 18-49 demo.
Episode 03 - 4.1 million, 1.6 in 18-49 demo.
Episode 04 - 3.5 million, 1.5 in 18-49 demo.
Episode 05 - 4.4 million, 1.6 in 18-49 demo.
Episode 06 - 4.1 million, 1.5 in 18-49 demo.
Episode 07 - 3.8 million, 1.3 in 18-49 demo.
Episode 08 - 3.5 million, 1.4 in 18-49 demo.
Episode 09 - 3.6 million, 1.4 in 18-49 demo.
Episode 10 - 2.9 million, 1.2 in 18-49 demo.
Episode 11 - 3.1 million, 1.1 in 18-49 demo
Episode 12 - 2.8 million, 1.0 in 18-49 demo
I still felt like a second season could still be possible with the dreadful ratings the last couple weeks, but after this... no. I'd say the chance is .01%.
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Post by Wyndam on May 9, 2009 12:29:53 GMT -5
*Sigh*
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Post by TC on May 9, 2009 12:30:58 GMT -5
Hitnrun, where'd you find that number? Just curious... And sucky.  |
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Post by hitnrun017 on May 9, 2009 12:32:30 GMT -5
Here.The first post has all the sources if you're curious.
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Post by Joe on May 9, 2009 12:32:48 GMT -5
NOOOOOOOO! This seriously ruined my weekend, AGAIN. Like all the ratings did for the past month. I can't believe it! Every week I'm let down by the ratings, it's CRAP! Why do I watch TV anymore? All the good shows get canceled while stupid reality shows (*cough* American *cough* Idol) renew years on end. It's bullshit!
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Post by Midnight Butterfly on May 9, 2009 13:15:01 GMT -5
Oh well. I was expecting for more seing as there were two great promos and it was the final but whatever. Lets just keep are finers crossed because I really do want a second season and it better not be on friday nights.
Does anyone know when FOX announce if there is going to be season two??
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Post by Maggie on May 9, 2009 13:16:20 GMT -5
If Nielsen's TV ratings are their bread and butter, then Nielsen needs to change how they do things. 12,000 or so TV viewers (that's 0.006%) does not speak for the viewing habits of 200,000,000 TV viewers, no matter how you pretty it up. In statistics what matters is the size of the sample and not the size of the population. 12,000 is a pretty big sample. Huge if you compare it to the typical sample size in opinion surveys. The real question to ask is whether it's a representative sample, or whether it's skewed in some way. To answer that, you'd need to find out how Nielson picks its families. (For example if they all came from Kansas you wouldn't get a good feel for the nationwide numbers). I don't know enough about the industry to go further. We know DH disproportionately appeals to DVR watchers. The question is whether the skewing skews in a way that means that Nielson is also underestimating how many households are watching DH on TV, in which case Fox would be making a mistake to go by the Nielson numbers; or whether the skewing skews because DH viewers in general just don't watch on TV in which case Fox isn't making a mistake to use the Nielson numbers. Everyone is assuming its the latter case, but there's a world where it could be the former. For example, does the Nielson sample exclude people who watch relatively little TV (5 hours a week or less)? It's possible that people who watch little TV are more likely to spread around their few hours to shows like Dollhouse. If that were so, the Nielson numbers would underestimate the DH audience. Other scenarios could be at work. To really answer the question you would need to know how Nielson picks its families. |
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Post by tms on May 9, 2009 13:54:39 GMT -5
Oh well. I was expecting for more seing as there were two great promos and it was the final but whatever. Lets just keep are finers crossed because I really do want a second season and it better not be on friday nights. Does anyone know when FOX announce if there is going to be season two?? I've heard May 18. But at this rate, say goodbye to the show. |
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Post by VampSlayer on May 9, 2009 13:56:57 GMT -5
Lowest vieers yet. Wow. This is horrible. I'm still trying to keep hope, though... *Sigh* |
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on May 9, 2009 14:07:50 GMT -5
If only that first episode was strong....
bye, bye, Dollhouse.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 9, 2009 14:14:39 GMT -5
Just keep repeating to yourself: Direct-to-DVD movies. Direct-to-DVD movies...
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Post by TC on May 9, 2009 14:14:49 GMT -5
Didn't Star Trek come out yesterday though? Could that have contributed to the low ratings this ep got? Not that it even matters anymore.
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Post by Joe on May 9, 2009 14:22:25 GMT -5
Dollhouse is now #2 at Amazon under "Box Sets". Isn't that like a lot of money? Do you guys think we have any hope whatsoever anymore?
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Post by Wyndam on May 9, 2009 14:23:35 GMT -5
Didn't Star Trek come out yesterday though? Could that have contributed to the low ratings this ep got? Not that it even matters anymore. While that was certainly a factor, Dollhouse's ratings are really just a product of its time slot. The show isn't getting good ratings because it is on Fridays. Not just because of a new movie or something else. Another reason could also be that since the first few episodes weren't fantastic, a lot may have dropped the show from their viewing list. At this point all we can hope for is that FOX really takes the DVR numbers into account. It has been proven many times that around 75% of people with DVR and TiVo STILL watch the ads and don't fast forward them. So there is still a lot of business to be made with DVR ratings. |
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 9, 2009 14:42:59 GMT -5
Dollhouse is now #2 at Amazon under "Box Sets". Isn't that like a lot of money? Do you guys think we have any hope whatsoever anymore? It's a lot of money for 20th Century Fox studio, which produces the show and licenses the DVD's. Normally the broadcast network doesn't see any money from DVD sales of shows that are produced out-of-house, so it has very little influence on whether the show would get renewed or not. Eliza's development deal was jointly with 20th Century Fox and Fox Broadcasting, however, so it's possible in this case that Fox TV does get a cut of the DVD profits. I don't know. |
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