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Post by faithswatcher on Jan 23, 2010 10:00:36 GMT -5
I'm with Paul please stop posting huge posts of unproven stuff its starting to piss me off. I'd rather read speculation than more "I dont like it, even though i dont quite know whats going to happen yet, i hate it, boo!" I for one am enjoying Dorothy's speculation, and think that in their excitment they are simply mistyping/adding a word here or there that doesnt make sense. However, all of their posts made sense to me haha.
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Post by DorothyFan1 on Jan 23, 2010 10:14:56 GMT -5
I'm with Paul please stop posting huge posts of unproven stuff its starting to piss me off. I'd rather read speculation than more "I dont like it, even though i dont quite know whats going to happen yet, i hate it, boo!" I for one am enjoying Dorothy's speculation, and think that in their excitment they are simply mistyping/adding a word here or there that doesnt make sense. However, all of their posts made sense to me haha. Thanks for the heads up. But now that we've pretty much wrung out as much as we could from issue 31...we'll wait for issue 32 and then I'll have a new batch of observations to make. Just my opinion of course.
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Jan 24, 2010 14:53:09 GMT -5
I loved the "Disgusting Paedophile" and "Cradle Robber" bit. Very funny. I found the handling of how the "Andrews Sisters of Death" were disposed of was really... rushed? Three ancient Goddesses with immense power just get taken out like *snap finger* that. Poorly played. Willow's face in the blue magical flame remind me of Zordon from The Power Ranger. lol.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jan 24, 2010 15:55:46 GMT -5
I found the handling of how the "Andrews Sisters of Death" were disposed of was really... rushed? Three ancient Goddesses with immense power just get taken out like *snap finger* that. Poorly played. I think it was meant to demonstrate just how powerful Buffy is now. Two armies, a pack of werewolves, and the world's most powerful witch couldn't scratch them, but Buffy takes all three out in five minutes. If we go by the theory that Buffy got these powers from touching the goddess, the questions are: 1. Why did the other Slayers who touched/got touched by the goddesses before Buffy not get this power surge? 2. How could the goddess give Buffy more power than she had herself? 3. Why would she give an enemy the power to defeat her? It's possible Buffy's powers come from some other source (maybe using the goddess as a conduit), and it wasn't a voluntary thing on the goddess' part. And Buffy is the special recipient of these powers... they weren't intended for anyone else.
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Post by DorothyFan1 on Jan 24, 2010 16:24:33 GMT -5
I found the handling of how the "Andrews Sisters of Death" were disposed of was really... rushed? Three ancient Goddesses with immense power just get taken out like *snap finger* that. Poorly played. I think it was meant to demonstrate just how powerful Buffy is now. Two armies, a pack of werewolves, and the world's most powerful witch couldn't scratch them, but Buffy takes all three out in five minutes. If we go by the theory that Buffy got these powers from touching the goddess, the questions are: 1. Why did the other Slayers who touched/got touched by the goddesses before Buffy not get this power surge? 2. How could the goddess give Buffy more power than she had herself? 3. Why would she give an enemy the power to defeat her? It's possible Buffy's powers come from some other source (maybe using the goddess as a conduit), and it wasn't a voluntary thing on the goddess' part. And Buffy is the special recipient of these powers... they weren't intended for anyone else. I think it was the Slayer tradition reasserting itself. I doubt Twilight would want Buffy to have the same powers he has otherwise he'd be forced to change his master plan to accommodate this fact. If this was the reason why Buffy was given these powers...it would mean she would be less likely to give in to Twilight's plan once she realizes he's wrong. Buffy had to get these powers otherwise she'd have no chance to counter him. It also suggests Twilight is evil and needs to be matched by someone who can defeat him. The Slayer line has been righted and reverts back to it's original purpose..one Slayer per generation. Only now Buffy is super powered long enough to defeat Twilight. Once he's defeated...Buffy's powers will return to "normal" capabilities. I could be wrong of course. But I'm just putting this out there for thought.
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Post by joan on Jan 24, 2010 21:22:47 GMT -5
Wow. This issue was fantastic. It's pretty obvious that it was written by Joss. All the character's dialogue was so in character. It almost felt like the show for a moment. Yet, now that I know who Twilight is it all seems so obvious.
Buffy/Xander/Dawn Triangle - what to even say?
Surprisingly, I am warming up to the two together. Xander and Dawn seem, though, to be progressing way more quickly then I had anticipated. They're in...love? Since when? I don't agree with Xander's comment that Dawn has loved him her whole life, necessarily. Having a crush on and loving someone is a very different thing!
Despite Dawn's constant insecurity regarding their relationship, I think I'm OK at this point with Dander. I am so happy for Xander if he is really in love with her. Xander deserves a good relationship, after what happened with him and Anya. I'll always be a Xanya shipper, but I guess I'm learning to deal with Dander.
Bander, though. That's a different story entirely.
I like how Xander acknowledged the "weird" factor of him dating Dawn. His comment on "she's grown up...she's not the same" is very true. For all the characters.
I realized that in my insistence that Dander is a bad idea , I wasn't giving Dawn enough credit. She deserves to be happy with whoever she wants. I'll always think of her as little Dawnie, though.
The brilliance of this conversation between Buffy and Xander can not be overstated. I think I just fell in love with Xander a little bit. Really. The maturity and sensitivity that he showed in how he handled his conversation with Buffy was truly exceptional. This conversation proved what I've been saying all along; what Xander is not in love with Buffy, that in fact, he hasn't been for years. He's in love with Dawn, now. And you know what? I think it's great.
I love how Xander said, "That would be great. If it was a bunch of years ago and you actually meant it." Boy, did he put her in her place! But in a sweet and loving way, I thought. GO Xander! The irony is so awesome in this scene. I love how Buffy's face characteristically scrunches up when he says that and he replies with "Puh. LEAZE." HA! So Xander. A remark he'd totally make.
And last but not least, I love their hug at the end. One of the things I've always loved so much about Buffy is her and Xander's friendship. This exchange just reinforced that which I've always said; that Xander and Buffy's bond transcends love; it's friendship in it's purest and trust form. Xander knew Buffy was just lonely, that she could never really see him as more than a friend. What they have is so much BETTER than romance.
Dawn's insecurity regarding Buffy and Xander is getting old. If she's a "grown woman" as Buffy says, maybe she should start acting like one?
Twilight's comments are mighty cryptic, that's for sure. What's up with his comments regarding Giles and Faith? Buffy's "trust" and her "guilt"? What is he implying? Is he planning on...killing them both? (And Andrew?) Poor Faith and Giles. What will become of them? Hard to believe Buffy doesn't notice Giles, Andrew, and Faith are gone. Guess she's too busy attempting to start a romance with and crying over Xander. (OK, that was harsh...but come on Buffy! Where's our little general when we need her?)
The state of Riley: where in the hell is Sam? Why hasn't she been mentioned? Seems strange Riley hasn't mentioned her, or Xander hasn't asked about her. Maybe I missed something. Could someone clear this up for me?
Interesting how the fallen/hurt soldier asked Buffy if she was "in love." She doesn't answer; why? She looks very sad, though.
But...what I really want to talk about is the letters section.
Please divert your attention to the 3rd letter in the "Slay the Critics" section. In this letter, the author Heather asks:
Allie's reply is:
I...don't even know how to handle this. Is Scott saying that Buffy does know Spike is alive? That we are to assume that Andrew has told her (like I'd always suspected)?
...Wow.
I was operating under the hope that the only reason why Buffy hasn't made the effort to contact Spike was because she didn't know he was alive. If she does know he is alive and kickin' and still hasn't bothered to contact him, we can pretty much assume that she simply doesn't care.
This is a sad, sad day for Spuffies indeed.
How do other Spuffies feel about this?
Overall, GREAT issue. Go Joss!
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Post by wenxina on Jan 24, 2010 21:32:48 GMT -5
Buffy (and everyone else) doesn't realize that Giles, Faith, and Andrew (and a bunch of other Slayers) are gone because of the confusion spell that Twilight's witches cast. He says so in the issue itself. As for Sam, read Allie's latest Q&A. He basically states that they had to keep Riley's loyalty ambiguous till late in the season to keep up suspense, but in doing so, they don't really have time to delve into Riley's personal life, which means that Sam will probably not be mentioned, at least not to everyone's satisfaction, in this season. Oh well... that's what imagination and fanfic are for.
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Post by DorothyFan1 on Jan 24, 2010 22:16:48 GMT -5
The following is pure speculation on my part...but it's based on Xander's comment in issue #31. Warning. Very spoilery. Xander's remark in issue #31 made me think and I think I've found some unbelievable coincidences. He says "it's a nuke". His remark made me look at the early issue when Buffy and Willow captured General Voll. What did he say? He said he wanted to nuke the Slayers. Coincidence? No. I don't think so. I believe this is what CAUSES the event that wipes out the Slayer line and magic. A thermonuclear explosion set off killing them all. This is Twilight's plan! Some more clues...Twilight's mask. What does it look like?! It has the shape of a bomb. The strange symbol on his breastplate - the half crescent, right? It's what you get when the nuclear bomb goes off - a mushroom cloud. No wonder Buffy couldn't find information on her past in that 200 year future...it was totally wiped out by Twilight's event...the thermonuclear blast killing the entire Slayer line.
One last hint...there was a Burt Lancaster movie a long time ago about a terrorist taking control of a nuclear silo. The name of the film? "Twilight's Last Gleaming"
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jan 24, 2010 22:48:12 GMT -5
I was operating under the hope that the only reason why Buffy hasn't made the effort to contact Spike was because she didn't know he was alive. If she does know he is alive and kickin' and still hasn't bothered to contact him, we can pretty much assume that she simply doesn't care. This is a sad, sad day for Spuffies indeed. How do other Spuffies feel about this? I'm not a Spuffy, I'm a Batsu -- but it could be that Spike simply doesn't want any contact with Buffy. As per his last words to her in "Chosen," he doesn't believe that Buffy loves him, whether she does or not. Unless I'm remembering wrong, during Angel season 5 wasn't he actively trying to prevent Buffy from hearing that he was alive? Maybe he simply stays away because he thinks he has no chance with her and it's too painful to be around her. And maybe Buffy would find it painful to be around him. Not unlike the situation between Buffy and Angel at the end of season 3. Joss has said that Spike will be appearing in season 8, so I guess we shall see.
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Post by SlayerLV on Jan 25, 2010 2:42:18 GMT -5
I just have my simple thoughts on the issue. I like the fact that Buffy seems to be ok with Xander & Dawn being together. It kinda bugs me that Buffy now has major powers, it seems kinda cheap to me.
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Post by gelious on Jan 25, 2010 4:12:25 GMT -5
It's possible Buffy's powers come from some other source (maybe using the goddess as a conduit), and it wasn't a voluntary thing on the goddess' part. And Buffy is the special recipient of these powers... they weren't intended for anyone else. I thinks goddess have nothing to do with it. Willow could simply taught her to fly.
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Post by The Girl In Question on Jan 25, 2010 15:30:34 GMT -5
^^ Huh? Lol.
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Post by alex_krycek on Jan 25, 2010 22:45:58 GMT -5
I found the handling of how the "Andrews Sisters of Death" were disposed of was really... rushed? Three ancient Goddesses with immense power just get taken out like *snap finger* that. Poorly played. I think it was meant to demonstrate just how powerful Buffy is now. Two armies, a pack of werewolves, and the world's most powerful witch couldn't scratch them, but Buffy takes all three out in five minutes. If we go by the theory that Buffy got these powers from touching the goddess, the questions are: 1. Why did the other Slayers who touched/got touched by the goddesses before Buffy not get this power surge? 2. How could the goddess give Buffy more power than she had herself? 3. Why would she give an enemy the power to defeat her? It's possible Buffy's powers come from some other source (maybe using the goddess as a conduit), and it wasn't a voluntary thing on the goddess' part. And Buffy is the special recipient of these powers... they weren't intended for anyone else. in my opinion, i think that buffy's new powers may be part of twilight's confusion spell, and perhaps, even the goddess were part of that as well. i think twilight has more cards to play with his magics, and i think more than one card is in play right now.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jan 25, 2010 23:08:03 GMT -5
I really think the confusion spell was just a minor trick to buy Twilight some time to work before Buffy noticed her friends missing. As we see in the previews, it's already worn off by next issue and they're actively looking for Giles and Faith.
We shouldn't make much more of that spell than a minor plot convenience tool IMO.
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Post by Emmie on Jan 25, 2010 23:29:28 GMT -5
I really think the confusion spell was just a minor trick to buy Twilight some time to work before Buffy noticed her friends missing. As we see in the previews, it's already worn off by next issue and they're actively looking for Giles and Faith. We shouldn't make much more of that spell than a minor plot convenience tool IMO. Yeah, it's just like the Ben/Glory spell that kept everyone from remembering they saw Ben turn into Glory. The confusion spell only last so long in this instance.
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Post by wenxina on Jan 26, 2010 1:51:34 GMT -5
My review is now posted on the SlayAlive blog HERE.
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Post by darkslayer on Jan 26, 2010 7:45:20 GMT -5
wenxina, loved both your blog on Issue 31 and the many points brought out by the posters here.
I miss a lot of the subtle plot points in a first read of the comic, but the discussion on here forces me to re-read each one with an "Oh, yeah! Now I see it!" moment. Thanks!
Have you reviewed other issues, and is there a single thread with your reviews?
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Post by wenxina on Jan 26, 2010 8:25:05 GMT -5
wenxina, loved both your blog on Issue 31 and the many points brought out by the posters here. I miss a lot of the subtle plot points in a first read of the comic, but the discussion on here forces me to re-read each one with an "Oh, yeah! Now I see it!" moment. Thanks! Have you reviewed other issues, and is there a single thread with your reviews? Thanks. My later reviews are over on the blog, but for a more comprehensive run down (I only started writing reviews from #8 onwards, but I've been good about never missing one since), you can visit my personal review blog HERE. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
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Post by joan on Jan 26, 2010 19:34:00 GMT -5
I was operating under the hope that the only reason why Buffy hasn't made the effort to contact Spike was because she didn't know he was alive. If she does know he is alive and kickin' and still hasn't bothered to contact him, we can pretty much assume that she simply doesn't care. This is a sad, sad day for Spuffies indeed. How do other Spuffies feel about this? I'm not a Spuffy, I'm a Batsu -- but it could be that Spike simply doesn't want any contact with Buffy. As per his last words to her in "Chosen," he doesn't believe that Buffy loves him, whether she does or not. Unless I'm remembering wrong, during Angel season 5 wasn't he actively trying to prevent Buffy from hearing that he was alive? Maybe he simply stays away because he thinks he has no chance with her and it's too painful to be around her. And maybe Buffy would find it painful to be around him. Not unlike the situation between Buffy and Angel at the end of season 3. Joss has said that Spike will be appearing in season 8, so I guess we shall see. Oh Andrew, I know all about your Batsu obsession, lol. Maybe you're right. I can't decide whether to be terrified or excited for his rumored appearance.
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Post by champ10 on Feb 1, 2010 5:33:51 GMT -5
I thought the very first sentence in this issue was interesting... Made me think more about Emmie's theory on the real love story going on here... and I wouldn't put it past Joss to blatantly hint like that. This whole Xander interest could be but a mere distraction.
If anything this season has shown, it's how much our two leading females really love each other...
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