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Post by patxshand on Dec 13, 2010 18:26:34 GMT -5
Pat I want to point out the multi quote button that EWR is fond of over on the new board... it makes posts like your last one alot easier... Er, the post wasn't particularly hard.
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patxshand
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Post by patxshand on Dec 13, 2010 9:15:55 GMT -5
Why don't you respect that and give it a chance, instead of taking one look at the not-finished product and making a snap judgment.I blow raspberries when people assume. No need to get at Pat, he is allowed to speak his opinion. Thanks Phil. Gotta love logic. Makes sense to me. I'm still not sold on the new look, but I at least understand what went into the decision. Sounds Wolfram & Harty. I appreciate it. The look of the blog does confuse me a bit, so I kind of breezed past it. I'll try to throw myself in and see what happens. I get the use of a clean look, but for me the layout is a bit confusing. There's a lot of text going on, where the old format was a mixture of texts and pictures that was easy to navigate. Just my two cents. Thanks for reaching out though, Phil. I appreciate it. I have indeed been a member here for a long time, and I'll try the new forum and see if it can possibly grow on me.
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Post by patxshand on Dec 13, 2010 4:26:20 GMT -5
Then I bid you fairwell, though I have to say... If you are leaving slayalive just because of the way it looks? Then maybe you arn't as dedicated and good member as I thought you were. I'm not dedicated to Slay Alive, I'm dedicated to Buffy and Joss's work. Also, I'm dedicated to the conversations I had here for years, all of which are not a part of the new site. It's not only the way it looks, though aesthetics are really important to me when choosing a forum to frequent. It's the fact that this is Slay Alive. Slay Alive is what the users contributed over the years. I love Phil, but I just don't understand the need for a blank slate. If it ain't broke, well... you know the rest.
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Post by patxshand on Dec 13, 2010 3:44:21 GMT -5
I loved Slay Alive for its unique look and easy to use navigation. The new one looks just like Buffy Forums, which I couldn't deal with. I might be the sole voice but please, please reconsider. I've been posting here for years, and all that history is gone for something that looks like and operates like a forum of lesser quality. I don't mean to get down on you Phil, because I'm sure you must've worked hard... but the old version of Slay Alive was utterly unique. Please, please, please reconsider this.
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Post by patxshand on Dec 9, 2010 8:27:32 GMT -5
Who said it couldn't be done well? Me, just then. "Eh. Angel had his own show for five years and his own comic for #39 issues. For him to be killed off so unheroically on Buffy would be such a disservice to a rich, layered character." Considering what was going on--everything from the Twilight arc- to Last Gleaming--it would be a huge disservice to a series header like Angel to be killed as a villain after forgetting about his son, doing whatever Buffy says, and then getting possessed.
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Post by patxshand on Dec 9, 2010 8:23:47 GMT -5
Instead, things are a mess. ...Only one issue of the final arc has been released so far. I think you might've missed the point of that book.
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Post by patxshand on Dec 9, 2010 0:25:22 GMT -5
Woah! Great work.
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Post by patxshand on Dec 8, 2010 23:41:49 GMT -5
I actually would prefer if Angel was slain by Buffy. (This is actually what I thought was going to happen at the end of the issue). Buffy, before it was decided on a series for Angel, was ACTUALLY supposed to kill Angel and he was supposed to stay dead after Buffy Season 2. So it would have been what Joss had in mind originally with the character. I think it woulda been kinda cool. Eh. Angel had his own show for five years and his own comic for #39 issues. For him to be killed off so unheroically on Buffy would be such a disservice to a rich, layered character.
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Post by patxshand on Dec 8, 2010 8:26:46 GMT -5
Because they said they would. DarkHorse did IDW a kindness by pretty much stating that #39 and after would be canon and the Spike and Illyria series would be canon. Hah! That's not a kindness. IDW doesn't care about canon. It's insulting to assume the sole purpose of their story should be to build up to a story that another company started almost four years ago. They have their own story to tell, and they should--and will--be able to tell it how they'd like. What does "important" mean here? I'm guessing it means "relevant to Season Eight." Who says that anything is non-canon? Last I heard, when some Dark Horse person posted that nothing IDW did after #17 and before #39 was canon... Scott Allie jumped in really quick and said that isn't Dark Horse's stance at all. There is no official word. There doesn't need to be. It's IDW's story, and to think they should just throw away years of story to service the Buffy arc is really off. Well, yeah. Because Joss is working hand-in-hand with them on Buffy. Because more people know the Buffy comic. I think it's pretty apparent that quality has nothing to do with it. The Angel series has been excellent since #36 when Mariah and David took over. Maybe. Not me. Not a lot of the readers I know.
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Post by patxshand on Dec 6, 2010 23:59:28 GMT -5
Elena is so awesome.
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Post by patxshand on Dec 6, 2010 10:27:46 GMT -5
No more Hellmouths, unfortunately. So, I've kinda been wondering about destroying the Seed vs. removing it. In both instances, it's essentially gone. However, removing it causes the world to die, whereas destroying it merely cuts off all magic. Anyone care to give this some thoughtful fanwank, or even textual explanation? I think the wine analogy explains it pretty perfectly. Remove the cork (seed), the bottle (hell) is uncorked and wine (demons, the real pure ones) pour out. Destroy the cork (see), the wine (you get the point) can't come out and the seed can never be removed.
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Post by patxshand on Dec 5, 2010 10:40:53 GMT -5
Were you cleaning it every day?
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Post by patxshand on Dec 5, 2010 10:36:18 GMT -5
Why do you think Beck is out of the picture?
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Post by patxshand on Dec 3, 2010 18:14:47 GMT -5
Wait, people thought Dawn died? Huh?
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Post by patxshand on Dec 2, 2010 18:18:15 GMT -5
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Post by patxshand on Dec 2, 2010 17:03:22 GMT -5
On Spike #5? We probably won't hear that until February right?
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Post by patxshand on Dec 2, 2010 15:36:34 GMT -5
This actually does a bit to make the crazier bits of Season Eight sit better with me. It was devastating in a way that didn't click the first time I read it... but then I went back and holy crap. I'm impressed. I wonder if, in retrospect, the entire thing will read better. I still wish that Angel's motivations didn't seem to flip and flop back and forth from "the girl" to "the world" but... huh. This was good. Great parallels with Season Two, very strong connections to everything that came before.
The fallout from the death of magic, if possible, was almost as shockingly sad... or at least as upsetting... as Giles' death.
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Post by patxshand on Dec 2, 2010 15:27:16 GMT -5
I'm not blaming Angel exclusively for what happened... I'm blaming the love between them. It's poison. It's a natural disaster. And they have no right to continue it in any active form. I never understood what was so "special" about their love... they were just two people who came together and fell in love, same as any other couple. Why is their love so OMG important that it's worth continuing right over the warm corpses of Giles, the entire Slayer army (almost), and God knows how many other innocents around the world? I believe that for them to continue their relationship at this point would be an act of villainy and profound selfishness, and one that should rightly cost Buffy every one of her surviving friends... out of sheer self-preservation, if not contempt. Sorry, but season 8 has made me a full-on Anti-Bangel. I never really cared one way or the other before. But this seems at odds with what you said before. You said "I've also lost any ability to see Angel as a protagonist or any sort of heroic character. He is a hapless schmuck. Full stop." If you're not blaming Angel exclusively, then... do you feel the same way about Buffy?
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Post by patxshand on Dec 2, 2010 15:24:20 GMT -5
I certainly hope to see Jenny Frison and Stephen Mooney finishing out the series on covers. Though how awesome would it be if #44 got a cover from every major artist? Franco Urru, Stephen Mooney, David Messina, Jenny Frison, Alex Garner...
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Post by patxshand on Dec 2, 2010 13:05:41 GMT -5
I trust this puts a permanent end to Bangel.
I never hated this 'ship before. Was always pretty neutral on it. But now... if I ever see Buffy in his arms again, I will lose all respect for her as a character.
I've also lost any ability to see Angel as a protagonist or any sort of heroic character. He is a hapless schmuck. Full stop.
So, no more Slayer army, as at least 95% of them are dead. I'm going to be a while in trying to process what kind of message that sends re: feminist empowerment. I think I feel comfortable in saying that empowering them was a catastrophically bad decision on Buffy's part, though she would have no way of knowing that. I don't understand this viewpoint. Buffy is at much at fault as Angel is. He was fully possessed when he killed Giles. He helped created the monster, yes, but so did Buffy. They made Twilight together under the thrall of the universe and their own infatuation. I think the reason Giles' death is so poignant is because it's as much Buffy's fault as it is Angel. He was just the unfortunate dude who got possessed. Same could've happened to Buffy. He forgot all about "Becoming," eh? Gosh, I can see why he would, since that was such a small and insignificant part of her character's history, easily forgotten. She tried to stake Angel with a tree trunk when he first unmasked himself, and that was when he wasn't immediately trying to kill her and all her friends. I didn't really take it that way. He knew that she would attempt to kill him, but he was aware that even a hesitation (which she'd do; anyone would, it's the possessed body of someone they just made love to) could cost her everything. He wasn't doubting her, he was just being sensitive to the situation.
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