balesthebloody
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Post by balesthebloody on Mar 7, 2008 20:24:34 GMT -5
In the end, I think Joss knows what he's doing, and I have faith in him. Very very true.
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underbuffysspell
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Post by underbuffysspell on Mar 7, 2008 22:20:18 GMT -5
I agree Buffy has changed a lot since season 7. She's still lonely, but she seems to have lost her moral compass, if you will, and THAT I think will bite her in the end. What's that saying? "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely"? Buffy has absolute power in her scottish castle over a lot of girls. She's said that she feels isolated. Perhaps this power is the root of her moral ambiguity. This all revolves around Twilight. Everything that Buffy had done "out of character" in this season is because of Willow's spell. It's caused her distance from Giles and Willow, caused her to rob that bank, caused her to sleep with someone that she normally would not have. At the end of Chosen, I had high hopes that Buffy would finally be at peace with a bunch of slayers out there... she could live a normal life. Instead, Joss had decided to keep Buffy in charge of this vast number of noob-slayers, and it has definately taken it's toll on her character. I think either Buffy will realize she is going down the wrong path or Twilight will do something in the end to end the spell. In the end, I think Joss knows what he's doing, and I have faith in him. Buffy losing her moral reasoning sounds like what happened to Team Angel when the took over Wolfram & Hart. Buffy suddenly was dealt with this strong position...and maybe she's not completely adjusted. Maybe she needs a 'Cordelia' to come and set her back on the right path.
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underbuffysspell
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Post by underbuffysspell on Mar 7, 2008 22:22:49 GMT -5
Also. I have complete faith in Joss.
He wouldn't be doing all of this if he didn't know what he was doing.
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alexa
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Post by alexa on Mar 7, 2008 23:09:58 GMT -5
Also having faith in Joss over here. I'll be reading if Buffy starts selling slayers as human traffic to support her new drug habit. And I've enjoyed all the season so far.
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Post by Emmie on Mar 8, 2008 2:07:55 GMT -5
my problem also is the feeling that buffy is using satsu and this is another instance of her skewed moral compass.
i've been re-watching buffy season 2 and i always get a kick out of every time buffy says the word "wrong". even faith uses that word alot in 'who are you?' when she's practicing being buffy in the mirror. that was buffy's character - she knew what was right and acted on it.
she seemed so rightous then and i was behind her 100%. Joss has said that he wanted to create buffy as an icon and i feel the first few seasons were about making us fans love her character. but from season 6 onwards i feel like she's being torn down. i know that's where the story led her character, but i really miss those moments of moral triumph we got from the earlier seasons.
anyways, it seems like twilight doesn't need to do much to make her question her moral certainty. she's taking care of that all on her own.
Faith from 'Dirty Girls': "you're protecting vampires? are you the bad slayer now? am i the good slayer now?"
maybe buffy being betrayed in the future will be necessary if she doesn't get her conscience/judgment in check. her gang has shown they're more than willing to call her out if she does something they don't agree with - maybe she'll get kicked out of her castle next.
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littleshiva
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Post by littleshiva on Mar 8, 2008 2:48:11 GMT -5
Also, I loved Spuffy for what it was, but hasn't Buffy grown beyond that? Didn't Spike teach her that there was more to love than random encounters? Therein lies my only gripe about this encounter. To me, this is a re-hash...a step backwards. I'm not looking at Satsu at all...this is about Buffy. She's done this. She has already used someone to feel better. As far as the experimenting goes, I feel like it could be a stunt. I don't really care. People do experiment...but I'm just wondering why it had to be Buffy? I'm getting kind of sick of the whole "Woe is me, I'm a slayer, I'm alone and I don't wanna be...I wanna be normal". This has been a theme for the whole damn run, and Buffy needs to get over it already. Amen, CowboyGuy. :-) Well put, and exactly what I'm feeling this season. I'm starting to wonder if maybe the actors had more influence on character development than we know. For instance, Alexis Denisof had a huge influence on the development of Wesley over on Angel. I wonder what the actors would make of Season 8, if they were reading--which I doubt they are.
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Post by dane5by5 on Mar 8, 2008 2:56:07 GMT -5
my problem also is the feeling that buffy is using satsu and this is another instance of her skewed moral compass. i've been re-watching buffy season 2 and i always get a kick out of every time buffy says the word "wrong". even faith uses that word alot in 'who are you?' when she's practicing being buffy in the mirror. that was buffy's character - she knew what was right and acted on it. she seemed so rightous then and i was behind her 100%. Joss has said that he wanted to create buffy as an icon and i feel the first few seasons were about making us fans love her character. but from season 6 onwards i feel like she's being torn down. i know that's where the story led her character, but i really miss those moments of moral triumph we got from the earlier seasons. anyways, it seems like twilight doesn't need to do much to make her question her moral certainty. she's taking care of that all on her own. Faith from 'Dirty Girls': "you're protecting vampires? are you the bad slayer now? am i the good slayer now?" maybe buffy being betrayed in the future will be necessary if she doesn't get her conscience/judgment in check. her gang has shown they're more than willing to call her out if she does something they don't agree with - maybe she'll get kicked out of her castle next. Maybe. Although from my perspective Buffy still had a strong moral compass in season seven, for instance in "Selfless" she does the speech about how Anya killing those people was wrong and she is the law. It didn't seem like an arbitrary decision, she seemed to have a strong grasp of her duty to fulfill her "job". Then came the decision to keep an watchful eye on Spike after he killed quite a number of people and her reasoning was "he has a soul". That is the point where her reasoning and understanding of morality started to blur. I think season eight is a continuation of this aspect of her character development. To agree with some other people here, my only slight concern of the Buffy/Satsu relationship is that it does seem very similar to Buffy/Spike in season six. I hope it goes a different direction, because although I loved season six and how it played out, I want something new from season eight. I really don't know how it's going to go differently because the situation is strikingly similar to Buffy and Spike's first encounter but I think Joss know's what he's doing.
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Post by Rebecca on Mar 8, 2008 3:12:13 GMT -5
I, for one, see vast differences between Buffy's first encounter with Spike and then with Satsu. The biggest being she felt dirty afterward with Spike. She didn't get that with Satsu.
Besides, Joss has said that it's gonna be a one time deal. She didn't turn gay just because she slept with a woman.
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Post by dane5by5 on Mar 8, 2008 3:32:13 GMT -5
I liked that the entire gang found out about it almost immediately after. That way Buffy's not keeping secrets like in season six. And that's very true about the way Buffy felt afterwards, that play's a huge part in the story.
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Post by Giant Michael on Mar 8, 2008 4:40:35 GMT -5
If Satsu was a male slayer, would people be this outraged? I think not. I think some people are having a little trouble seeing their icon as a bisexual woman. BUFFY?! BISEXUAL!? No way! She's a "normal" girl. Ha! Not quite. Some people are having trouble seeing their icon sleeping with a woman to shift a few units. MB x
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Sacred Simplicity
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Post by Sacred Simplicity on Mar 8, 2008 6:59:39 GMT -5
Well, I haven't actually read the newest issue, but being the spoiler addict I am, I already know about the whole Satsu/Buffy thingymajig. And I honestly don't have a problem with it, and don't really know why people do. I was kinda like "Wait, Buffy is stuck in a castle in Scotland, desperately craving sex and hasn't slept with any of the hundreds of hot young girls there until now?" I actually find it really amusing that no one seemed to have a problem with Buffy indulging in necrophilia, but as soon as it's a girl everyone's all getting all annoyed and offended!
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Post by Rachster on Mar 8, 2008 7:14:37 GMT -5
I dont really have a problem with Buffy being bi, but it does seem like she may be using Satsu. Like Joss said, Buffy's not gay. She didn't sleep with Satsu because she loves her. She slept with her bacause she was lonely, and Satsu clearly loves her, and she was just there.. I don't want to see Satsu get hurt. She's a nice character....
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Slayer489
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Post by Slayer489 on Mar 8, 2008 8:06:17 GMT -5
I don't think that Buffy is gay or bi. She was just lonely and obviously has some issues to get over. It's part of her character development and I'm loving following her story at the moment because she's my favourite character. Seeing all her ups and downs is what makes her. It's what makes Buffy fresh form everything else, the idea of trying new things.
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Post by Rachster on Mar 8, 2008 8:26:09 GMT -5
Someone who is 100% heterosexual wouldn't have sex with the same sex. Are there any straight people here? Would you sleep with someone of the same sex just because you're lonely and want sex? I've been very lonely and depressed and had A LOT of issues going on, but I've never had a sexual urge to be with any of my girl-friends. If you can have sex with both genders = bi. Yeah, well, she's an open minded gal. Doesn't mean she will do it again. I think it was just an in-the-moment thing. Its not like she will be sleeping with guys and girls from now on.
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Post by pablo on Mar 8, 2008 8:28:08 GMT -5
I can't see why people keep on briging up the homophobic excuse here. The reason i'm mad at joss is that i think this was made in order to give the comic more exposure, to promote the resurrection of the series. I have no prejudice against bi gay or whatever, i think when it comes to love, you fall for one's soul, not his/her sex. And i stick to my idea. I'd be fine with a Bastu plotline once they build up a decent relationship btwn the two. They just showed a 2-page dialogue that went nowhere, except for buffy's whining (which i hoped she would drop after s.7, but whatever). And it's ok experimenting, i'm not saying oh buffy is "normal" she can't do that. it's not the point. there's no normal, no heterosexual or homosexual. you just love whoever you want to, (as long as it's mutual and legal).
There was just no relationship btwn the two - it was just sex! and joss can say the interviews and promo stints were just to make sure we'd get his own word on the relationship. but it just seemed to me it was a publicity stint. it might not be, i'm wrong, but that's how i feel it. I'm really disappointed that people would think it's all about the sexuality. maybe it's cos i haven't been clear enough, in which case i apologise.
And by the way i hated warren's return from the beginning, wasn't that vocal at the time cos didn't read it the comic properly. Plus i think people were excited cos they hoped joss would use those newly found character more. instead, they just went off with issue #4. and by making them disappear, lots of people lost faith in their involvement with the series.
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Slayer489
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Post by Slayer489 on Mar 8, 2008 8:30:39 GMT -5
Someone who is 100% heterosexual wouldn't have sex with the same sex. Are there any straight people here? Would you sleep with someone of the same sex just because you're lonely and want sex? I've been very lonely and depressed and had A LOT of issues going on, but I've never had a sexual urge to be with any of my girl-friends. If you can have sex with both genders = bi. It's different for different people. IMO, Buffy isn't bi. She may of been curious at the time and caught up in the moment and the fact that she is living with 100 slayers who know what it's like to be a slayer and what it demands may have pushed her to try it out. Lots of people "experiment" (hearing this word too much lol) but are straight afterwards and wouldn't ever go there again.
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Post by Rachster on Mar 8, 2008 8:34:11 GMT -5
Someone who is 100% heterosexual wouldn't have sex with the same sex. Are there any straight people here? Would you sleep with someone of the same sex just because you're lonely and want sex? I've been very lonely and depressed and had A LOT of issues going on, but I've never had a sexual urge to be with any of my girl-friends. If you can have sex with both genders = bi. It's different for different people. IMO, Buffy isn't bi. She may of been curious at the time and caught up in the moment and the fact that she is living with 100 slayers who know what it's like to be a slayer and what it demands may have pushed her to try it out. Lots of people "experiment" (hearing this word too much lol) but are straight afterwards and wouldn't ever go there again. exactly!!!!
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Post by alycat7 on Mar 8, 2008 9:07:28 GMT -5
who knows, people who saw the original Buffy movie may have thought that the series was a rip off compared to the movie. It's been a year, so most people have gotten used to the transition from series to comic but then there are the few who still have a problem with it. Season 8 so far has been fantastic, no matter how ridiculous some of the stories get (giant Dawn for example).
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Slayer489
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Post by Slayer489 on Mar 8, 2008 9:28:58 GMT -5
I very much disagree. Just because somebody is bisexual does not mean that they will continue sleeping with both sexes. Sometimes it's a one time thing. But that person is still BI. You're focusing on LABELS, when I'm talking about definitions. I respect your point, however I think that Buffy deep down doesn't consider herself as finding women attractive. She only found this one woman appealing at the time. I may be looking at it wrong now and it might turn out differently, but it's what I think at this moment.
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Post by matthewblake on Mar 8, 2008 11:05:45 GMT -5
You're focusing on LABELS, when I'm talking about definitions. yeah, the definitions of labels... Some people commented that Buffy is too old to be "experimenting." Well, she has mostly had serious relationships and was just a little busy during college to fit that in! No matter who Buffy sleeps with, I'll still be marching in the slayer pride parade! I do understand both sides of this issue. To most, it would seem like a publicity stunt to get people talking (check!). It was even mentioned on perezhilton.com for god sakes! But I can understand why a lot of gay or bi fans would get defensive because Buffy's sexual encounter might mean more to them. Like most, I will continue reading the comic to see where this goes. Also, I think some people overreacted to pablo's comments. He made it very clear that he is not homophobic and it was still brought up.
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