Slayer489
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Post by Slayer489 on Mar 8, 2008 12:17:29 GMT -5
I don't really like all this talk of it being a "publicity stunt" because that's so not what it is.
Also, it would be interesting to see what Sarah Michelle Gellar thinks of it all. I'm sure she'll comment on it at one time or another.
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Post by pablo on Mar 8, 2008 17:45:22 GMT -5
hate to repeat myself but sexuality - not my point. i was trying to say that buffy's experiment or whatever you wanna call it it's being exploited to sell more - at least thats what i think.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Mar 8, 2008 17:50:47 GMT -5
hate to repeat myself but sexuality - not my point. i was trying to say that buffy's experiment or whatever you wanna call it it's being exploited to sell more - at least thats what i think. That could be true. It might be true...on Dark Horse's part. But Joss insists that this is getting the ball rolling on some much needed Buffy development. I think Buffy has been boring as a character up until this point. I do think it's out of her character to have done this with Satsu...but maybe that's the point. The comic is extremely successful for Dark Horse, and it actually isn't declining.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Mar 8, 2008 17:55:52 GMT -5
The sales are declining. Not a lot, it's still staying strong for a non Marvel/DC comic, but every single month, it's going down more and more.
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Post by phoenixfire on Mar 8, 2008 19:27:08 GMT -5
i kinda agree and then i dont but i wanted buffy season 8 to be just a bit darker like the tv show was in season 7 and have a solid plot its liek joss is just writing as he goes along.
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Post by commandercool on Mar 8, 2008 19:29:13 GMT -5
I would just like to say that I wholeheartedly support this whole decision on the part of Joss and/or Drew. Bravo. They've managed to move past the cliche' token gay character and accurately reflect real statistics. Given the sheer number of Buffyverse characters, the number of them who are gay is completely relistic.
From a storytelling standpoint, it makes complete sense too. Buffy is lonely and confused. The fact that she would try something like this seems very realistic. Besides, I would much rather see Buff trying something new as far as her doomed romances go than see her hook up with yet another boyfriend. It makes a lot of sense to me that after being hurt by her boyfriends that many times, she would try something new.
My buddy who reads my comics spent the entire issue loudly proclaiming that this was doom for the series and that it was just a publicity stunt. Frankly, I think it was more of a brave political statement than a publicity stunt. People said Willow and Tara were a publicity stunt too, and now they're iconic.
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Post by patrick on Mar 8, 2008 22:29:35 GMT -5
Joss has insisted this is part of a bigger PLAN. Now I have learned to be skeptical towards Joss's PLANs. It could be fantastically brilliant, it could be a disaster so big it tanks the (already fragile) Buffyverse forever. Fact of the matter is, we don't know. We are going to have to trust Joss and his PLAN. We have to follow this story through. What do I think about Buffy and Satsu (after my intial pure femslash loving GLEE)? I honestly don't know. We HAVE to see where he's taking this, and what he does with it. I have learned that with this fandom, a kneejerk reaction is never the best option. Wait and see. This whole episode, by the bye, is both the primary reason I love Joss and I freaking hate him at the same time. I need new Buffy more than I've needed any other story in years. God bless his hollow, black heart.
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Post by underbuffysspell on Mar 8, 2008 23:57:11 GMT -5
Someone who is 100% heterosexual wouldn't have sex with the same sex. Are there any straight people here? Would you sleep with someone of the same sex just because you're lonely and want sex? I've been very lonely and depressed and had A LOT of issues going on, but I've never had a sexual urge to be with any of my girl-friends. If you can have sex with both genders = bi. Well, not to offend, but wouldn't you need to sleep with the same gender to make SURE that you're 100% heterosexual or whatever?? I think it's great that Buffy is experimenting...but I'd rather it not be Satsu.
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Post by buffysmglover on Mar 9, 2008 0:45:26 GMT -5
Someone who is 100% heterosexual wouldn't have sex with the same sex. Are there any straight people here? Would you sleep with someone of the same sex just because you're lonely and want sex? I've been very lonely and depressed and had A LOT of issues going on, but I've never had a sexual urge to be with any of my girl-friends. If you can have sex with both genders = bi. Well, not to offend, but wouldn't you need to sleep with the same gender to make SURE that you're 100% heterosexual or whatever?? I think it's great that Buffy is experimenting...but I'd rather it not be Satsu. You both have good points.
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Post by pablo on Mar 9, 2008 5:59:43 GMT -5
I've been re-reading the issue in the past two days, and i'm kinda getting used to Batsu.
But please, do not compare buffy's one night stand with willow and tara's love. that would be, aside from premature, cheapening the great love story btwn our fav wiccan and tara (i'm still mourning).
I have nothing against Buffy experimenting, i think maybe this could have been a plot for some other male character, since male homosexuality is the only taboo Joss hasn't explored in depth, but i think it was just too early, and the relationship btwn her and satsu was just too far-fetched, not developed enough. it's not about buffy turning gay omg-omg-omg. It's about the PLAN, and i'll probably keep reading the issues to see where this plot will end up, it's just the way the whole affair was handled that made me feel angry at Joss.
If he wanted Buffy to experiment, fine, but why not developing it, or showing some mutual feelings (or, to look at a less-romantic perspective) attraction? He just gave us buffy's whiny speech, satsu half-confession and then issue 12# -wham!- buffy and satsu in bed together after sex.
Maybe people are right, it's just a matter of that being out of character for Buffy, and it's just another shocker in the Buffyverse, part of a great and fantastica story-arc that will make worth all the rants and the upset posts, i don't know.
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Post by angeliclestat on Mar 9, 2008 6:56:21 GMT -5
I have to agree with pablo. I am not digging this comic. The Faith arc was great, but apart from that it just hasn't been very good.
And like pablo it's not about the sex thing. Just the overall quality isn't there.
Will stick to Angel
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Slayer489
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Post by Slayer489 on Mar 9, 2008 9:31:10 GMT -5
Mikey, even though you've shown evidence of there being different levels of sexuality out there, I think you contradict yourself by repetitive use of the word bisexual. To me, that sort of means in the middle, stuck dead down the middle. If what you say is right then Buffy might be like 90% heterosexual and 10% experimenting at the moment, but I don't like the way you keep using the word bisexual because you know she's more heterosexual than she is anything else. For Buffy, it was a convenience thing. Satsu was there at the time she was feeling lonely. Yes, it's bad on Buffy's part but it's fantastic character development for her, just like the bank robbery to fund the rest of the slayers and the fact that Buffy sees it as a "victimless crime". I'm loving it.
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Post by henzINNIT on Mar 9, 2008 9:52:57 GMT -5
There's some interesting points in this thread, and more hilarious arguing about Buffy's lesbo encounter.
I'm pretty disappointed by season 8. The main characters aren't friends anymore and everyting is scattered. Character development seems to have stepped back. Joss had a quick fix for the relationships in Chosen for a satisfactory ending, but he's now returned to the problems we saw toward the end of season 7 (mostly annoying problems with Buffy being too busy being a leader to be likable). Add to that some tiresome gimmicky things like high tech gadgets, giant Dawn and skinless Warren. It's all just too comicy for me to enjoy; such a departure from the show. Angel - After the Fall seems better because it's not trying to be the 6th season of the show, so I make allowances for its differences. I'm less forgiving with Season 8, it's just not what it claims to be.
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Post by littleshiva on Mar 9, 2008 10:54:54 GMT -5
I've been re-reading the issue in the past two days, and i'm kinda getting used to Batsu. But please, do not compare buffy's one night stand with willow and tara's love. that would be, aside from premature, cheapening the great love story btwn our fav wiccan and tara (i'm still mourning). I have nothing against Buffy experimenting, i think maybe this could have been a plot for some other male character, since male homosexuality is the only taboo Joss hasn't explored in depth, but i think it was just too early, and the relationship btwn her and satsu was just too far-fetched, not developed enough. it's not about buffy turning gay omg-omg-omg. It's about the PLAN, and i'll probably keep reading the issues to see where this plot will end up, it's just the way the whole affair was handled that made me feel angry at Joss. If he wanted Buffy to experiment, fine, but why not developing it, or showing some mutual feelings (or, to look at a less-romantic perspective) attraction? He just gave us buffy's whiny speech, satsu half-confession and then issue 12# -wham!- buffy and satsu in bed together after sex. Maybe people are right, it's just a matter of that being out of character for Buffy, and it's just another shocker in the Buffyverse, part of a great and fantastica story-arc that will make worth all the rants and the upset posts, i don't know. I agree completely.
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Post by pablo on Mar 9, 2008 11:24:19 GMT -5
There's some interesting points in this thread, and more hilarious arguing about Buffy's lesbo encounter. I'm pretty disappointed by season 8. The main characters aren't friends anymore and everyting is scattered. Character development seems to have stepped back. Joss had a quick fix for the relationships in Chosen for a satisfactory ending, but he's now returned to the problems we saw toward the end of season 7 (mostly annoying problems with Buffy being too busy being a leader to be likable). Add to that some tiresome gimmicky things like high tech gadgets, giant Dawn and skinless Warren. It's all just too comicy for me to enjoy; such a departure from the show. Angel - After the Fall seems better because it's not trying to be the 6th season of the show, so I make allowances for its differences. I'm less forgiving with Season 8, it's just not what it claims to be. hallelujah! that's exaclty what i've been trying to say (among the other tons of things) - the story now has a wider playground, that weakened relationship among the core characters. it's not big on relationship developement, so far, let's face it. it's also true we cannot expect the comic to develop relationship and feelings the way the show did, but they're simply not handling them. and leaving way to much doubts on the current friendship-animosities and stuff
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Post by henzINNIT on Mar 9, 2008 11:34:40 GMT -5
Woooo I got an Hallelujah! *pride*
I think Season 8 will be better in hindsight but the end is so far away. The overall story is so big, I think the fragments we get every month are nowhere near as satisfying as many of us would like. Even worse for me. I'm getting TPBs only lol
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Post by Slayer489 on Mar 9, 2008 12:19:37 GMT -5
Woooo I got an Hallelujah! *pride* I think Season 8 will be better in hindsight but the end is so far away. The overall story is so big, I think the fragments we get every month are nowhere near as satisfying as many of us would like. Even worse for me. I'm getting TPBs only lol I completely agree. It's just too spread out and we're not used to not being able to overlook a whole set of events in a season. And Mikey, I think that Buffy probably falls into the 1 category or possibly 2. Or maybe she doesn't even fall into 1 after this experience has been done and dusted. (bit of a Buffy pun there, not intended, but cool .)
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Post by hitnrun017 on Mar 9, 2008 13:18:06 GMT -5
One thing that really bugs me about Season 8 is how it ruined the last 5 minutes of Chosen. That ending was just perfection. Everytime I watch it, I cry and smile. But when Season 8 started, that stopped, and I want it back. Like henz said, it's back towards the gang not getting along, and I don't want that.
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Post by sla on Mar 9, 2008 13:32:13 GMT -5
I like that idea...Cordelia. but, who can be "cordelia"?
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Slayer489
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Post by Slayer489 on Mar 9, 2008 13:58:42 GMT -5
One thing that really bugs me about Season 8 is how it ruined the last 5 minutes of Chosen. That ending was just perfection. Everytime I watch it, I cry and smile. But when Season 8 started, that stopped, and I want it back. Like henz said, it's back towards the gang not getting along, and I don't want that. Yeah I'm the same hitnrun017. Although, by the end of Season 8, I'm sure you'll want to cry and smile just like you did in "Chosen".
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