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Post by hitnrun017 on Mar 9, 2008 14:00:47 GMT -5
One thing that really bugs me about Season 8 is how it ruined the last 5 minutes of Chosen. That ending was just perfection. Everytime I watch it, I cry and smile. But when Season 8 started, that stopped, and I want it back. Like henz said, it's back towards the gang not getting along, and I don't want that. Yeah I'm the same hitnrun017. Although, by the end of Season 8, I'm sure you'll want to cry and smile just like you did in "Chosen". I hope so. I'm missing that group dynamic.
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Post by henzINNIT on Mar 9, 2008 15:16:04 GMT -5
I really hope Buffy learns a valuble lesson soon enough about herself and the mission and things start to clear up in the scooby gang. I miss those little group scenes in the library/magic box.
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Post by Whedon Fan on Mar 9, 2008 18:48:03 GMT -5
And Mikey, I think that Buffy probably falls into the 1 category or possibly 2. Or maybe she doesn't even fall into 1 after this experience has been done and dusted. (bit of a Buffy pun there, not intended, but cool .) Actual sexual contact would probably make her a 2, in my book. I agree even before her experiment I would place her under a two. Theres just something about the woman power slayer thing......
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Post by pablo on Mar 10, 2008 7:36:35 GMT -5
I agree with all the people saying the comics lack the Scooby Gang's dynamics. Buffy was all about the family - in her case, Will, Xan & Giles (as we see in the final moments of Chosen before the battle). And it was that special relationship that made the show fantastic, and addictive. That and a lot of other things i won't mention, but the core of the show was and is the scooby gang. Now season 7 had some problems, one of these being the constant fights between them, but Chosen managed to put all the minor strains aside and gave us a shiny happy ending. But back in season 8 we see the same stuff - Buffy struggling to be the leader, and being alone, Dawn's resentment towards Buffy (of course the reason changes, but moping and complaning about Buffy seems to be the only thing Dawn excels at. that, and sh**ging Kenny's friend), Willow refusing to accept that she regrets (although in a minor grade) having resurrected Buffy, Xander having troubles with identifying his own role in the gang, and Giles growing estranged from his own "children".
I know since we're on a new season there have to be problems, otherwise the comics won't be existing in the first place. i just want to see them rekindle their friendship and clearing up all their little fights, resentment and stuff. i want to see them unite, again. that's their real power. so no more willow astral-projecting herself into other dimension, or buffy moping about being the leader, or xander constantly being the peacemaker. And that's why we want back the Library, or the Magic Box - those were places that would bring them together, but now that the playground has widened, theres nothing that brings them back together.
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Post by Giant Michael on Mar 10, 2008 8:15:06 GMT -5
I agree with Pablo. My favourite scenes so far remain the interaction between Buffy and Xander in issue one, and the opening shots with Buffy and Willow in issue eleven. And the Slayerettes getting down with their bad selves all over Giant Dawn, because it gives me a happy. I can see the Scoobies gradually coming together, but it's issue twelve; it's taking too long, and the flimsy plot - which has, so far, been made up of vague evil, special guest stars and exciting PLOT TWISTS! - is losing hold of my attention.
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Post by Whedon Fan on Mar 10, 2008 8:40:04 GMT -5
Come on thats not fare you can't tell me you were not shocked and excited when you saw skinless Warren and Amy all glowing at the end end of issues 1 and 3. Or that the battle between Amy and Willow wasn't good. Or the revelation that Buffy is not going to be fighting demons but is at war with the human race....it puts everything In a Grey area not knowing who to root for. Issue 6: who will die, is it Faith Genvieve and it turned out amazing I loved the Faith arc and Genvieve Savage was an excellent bad guy so was Roden and so was Giles en fact when he kicked his ass. And although I don't agree with the Buffy Satsu thing I AM still going to read the comics and issue 12 was pretty good, very funny scenes and he fights were good to. Ive sen the preview pages for Issue 13 and that looks good as well.
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Post by mandikaye on Mar 10, 2008 11:58:56 GMT -5
I haven't had a chance to get my copy yet, and though I have opinions, I'll not weigh in on the whole Buffy/Satsu thing.
I think pablo's initial point had more to do with the season as a whole, and not just the sex scene. One of the things that people keep lamenting is the loss of the group dynamic. But I think that's utterly realistic. And while this show (er... comic) is pretty much fantastical and completely fictional (in such a way that it couldn't be true to life), one of the things Joss has always tried to do with his characters is keep them realistic. Relational dynamics change. The best friend you had in high school is, more than likely, not your best friend after college. For some it works, for others it doesn't. Sometimes you drift apart for awhile before you come back together.
That's the way life works. And that's what I'm seeing in this season.
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Post by pablo on Mar 10, 2008 13:53:23 GMT -5
you're right, mandikaye, but since Buffy (for me) is about the four of them, getting loose ends re their friendships just makes me go crazy
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Post by henzINNIT on Mar 10, 2008 16:44:20 GMT -5
While it's true that friends drifting is a fact of life, it's still not something I want to continue seeing in Buffy.
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Post by mandikaye on Mar 10, 2008 16:50:41 GMT -5
Of course not. But in the grand scheme of things, we're only a third of the way through the season. It feels like longer because each new issue is a month (or more) apart, but there's still a lot of stuff that's going to happen. And Joss' seasons nearly always end on a triumphant note.
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Post by liammars on Mar 11, 2008 10:28:14 GMT -5
Well, Buffy Season Eight is a very well-constructed story. If you dislike it because it continues the story, sets up plot points and evolves the characters then you are every bit as stupid as the naysayers who think Lost is "too confusing". Sorry, if that sounds harsh.
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Post by pablo on Mar 11, 2008 13:23:53 GMT -5
Your comment does not sound harsh, liammars - however, if you feel so satisfied with the product overall, you cannot tag every person who does not think the same as you as "stupid". We're just expressing our dissatisfacion concerning the way characters have de-volved, rather than moving forward in their process of self-awareness, and commenting that most of them still show the personal traits they had in season 7. We're happy with the fact that Joss decided to bring back buffy from the dead (again lol), our point is we think these stories have (so far) proved to be quite loose and dispersive, but also hard to follow, bigger-picture-wise. And since most of the countries people write defend freedom of speech, we're entitled to our opinion, and have the right to express it.
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Post by Giant Michael on Mar 11, 2008 13:32:33 GMT -5
Well, Buffy Season Eight is a very well-constructed story. If you dislike it because it continues the story, sets up plot points and evolves the characters then you are every bit as stupid as the naysayers who think Lost is "too confusing". Sorry, if that sounds harsh. Not harsh. Just completely ludicrous. 'You don't like it because you're too stupid to like it' is an extremely poor arguement. MB x
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Post by hitnrun017 on Mar 11, 2008 14:10:28 GMT -5
There are people who just can't enjoy or handle multiple plot-lines and twists. They want everything laid out for them and s[censored!]-fed to them. No drama or bad things happening to characters, no growth. People don't like change. Well that's not exactly fair. All kinds dramatic and bad things could happen to the characters with the Scoobies back together. This isn't the first, second or third time the Scoobies have been disconnected from each other. It's getting old. And the people who arn't IN LOVE with Season 8 can't handle multiple storylines? Um, hello? We watched the show for 7 seasons.
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Post by henzINNIT on Mar 11, 2008 16:57:25 GMT -5
Well, Buffy Season Eight is a very well-constructed story. If you dislike it because it continues the story, sets up plot points and evolves the characters then you are every bit as stupid as the naysayers who think Lost is "too confusing". Sorry, if that sounds harsh. Yeah because the complex plot is why people dislike Lost... ... and you know how well constructed a story is less than a third of the way through too? Doesn't sound harsh, just retarded. Fail. By the way, I think it's hilarious that it censored me seing s-p-o-o-n. Hahaha Spoon is censored yet wank isn't? haha what a world
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Post by pablo on Mar 11, 2008 17:07:24 GMT -5
There are people who just can't enjoy or handle multiple plot-lines and twists. They want everything laid out for them and s[censored!]-fed to them. No drama or bad things happening to characters, no growth. People don't like change. It's not about that! We'd like to see some different change. Something that has never actually happened before. Buffy feeling lonely and disconnected? Willow going crazy about Buffy's resurrection and its consequences? Xander struggling to find his own identity among the group? Giles refusing to reason with Buffy? Faith being the bad slayer, but whose heart is actually pure and brave? I mean please. let something interesting happen. I'm not saying we want something neat, or spoon-fed to us. But maybe some new storyline. And don't say Batsu is, cos i think is quite the contrary. Then again, we could be wrong, but im not against change. As some people remarked, watching the show for 7 season kinda qualifies us as change-survivors. Just watch 1x01 and tell me how can you expect someone to enjoy the show without getting used, welcoming the changes. The show is about change, not apparent-change-which-turns-out-to-be-the-same-stuff.
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Post by sire on Mar 12, 2008 0:17:00 GMT -5
I havent read this whole thread, but it seems everyone is getting hung up on the sexuality side and im not gonna touch that one with a 10ft clown pole. I do Agree with Pablo about the warren thing though, if there was any character that needed to stay dead and skinned it was him... WORST RECON EVER.
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Post by commandercool on Mar 12, 2008 8:15:38 GMT -5
I havent read this whole thread, but it seems everyone is getting hung up on the sexuality side and im not gonna touch that one with a 10ft clown pole. I do Agree with Pablo about the warren thing though, if there was any character that needed to stay dead and skinned it was him... WORST RECON EVER. Holy sh*t... Ten Foot Clown Pole? Was that a "Homer the Clown" reference? You just got blessed.
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Post by henzINNIT on Mar 12, 2008 9:15:32 GMT -5
All I can hear now is the Clown College music Homer hears in his head when his family talk to him lol
HOMER: "I'm going to clown college!" BART: ...."I don't think any of us expected him to say that."
*Gives Sire his second Simpsons related blessing*
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Post by sire on Mar 12, 2008 23:44:26 GMT -5
I really thought that reference would've gone unnoticed. ha
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