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Post by Mathieu on Feb 6, 2009 21:38:23 GMT -5
Ok now is time to rant a little bit. I just read issue 22 "Swell" and I'm really not happy with the direction things are going. I don't know what to start with.
1. We don't see enough of the core groupe. The scoobies never get reunited, they're all scattered. We get some Xander/Dawn, some Willow/Kennedy, etc... but where's the spirit of the show? When they all met at the high school library, at the Magic Box or at Buffy's house? I know things change, but we did have that in the first arc. I just want more interactions. I mean Buffy almost got killed by Future Dark Willow and we don't even see what consequences that has brought to the present Buffy/Willow friendship. Did they talk about it? Is it awkward on Buffy's side? Is she suspicious?
2. In the last issue, 90% of the story is centered around Satsu and Kennedy. Who cares about them? I mean Kennedy was introduced to us in Season 7 and a majority of people didn't like her. And Satsu was only introduced in Season 8, so we only know her from the comics. Therefore it's hard to know if there's any chemestry between the two characters. Plus, let's be honest, Kennedy was totally useless. It could have been anybody else going on that mission.
3. The Twilight storyline is starting to drag along and past the excitement of wondering who he (or she?) is, there's not much to look forward to. The whole thing is just kind of confusing.
4. Stupid things happen in this season, like Dawn's tranformations or the tree people. What the hell? It doesn't add to the story. Well, I'm still waiting for a good explanation as far as the Dawn storyline is concerned.
5. Some characters really look alike and it's hard to tell them apart. And it can get annoying.
6. Some characters, like old villains have been brought back and it was completely pointless (and by that I mean Amy and Warren).
7. The whole thing about Buffy and Satsu? Not buying into it. It doesn't feel real. I guess it would come across better on television. But all the lines Kennedy had at the end of issue 22 really sounded a bit over the top, as if the writers wanted to stress that YES SATSU SILL LOVES BUFFY AND BUFFY IS NOT GAY. For God's sake, please be more subtle.
8. I'm still having a hard time understanding how the world population suddenly realized they adored blood-suckers... again, what the hell? It would have been fun in an alternative reality... but this one, really?
I guess I'm done. 8 things to rant about, just like Season ""8""!! (talk about being subtle, uh).
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Feb 6, 2009 21:45:30 GMT -5
I just read issue 12 "Swell" and I'm really not happy with the direction things are going. *cough*Issue 22*cough*
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Post by iloveromy on Feb 6, 2009 22:00:37 GMT -5
I'm going to ramble for a moment...
You know, I can kind of relate to some of the things you say but I don't think I'm Mad, bored, or disappointed. Reading this post I'm trying to think back to when I first started watching the show and it is bringing back vivid memories of when I didn't always care for the tv show's direction.
Watching Buffy on tv there were episodes that I didn't really enjoy the first time watched them. There were times in every single season. As for the comic I can say the same. Some of the issues have been spectacular: Wolves at the Gate and No Future For You, especially. I wasn't really blown away by No Future For You or the last couple issues but since it's Buffy I mark it as a miss and wait eagerly for the next one. And you know what? Going back and watching the show, I don't really hate those plot points I didn't care for as much as I used to. Maybe time will have the same effect for the comic.
When the show was on I didn't enjoy the obvious formula for doing 3 mythology episodes, one stand alone then back to a few mythologies. I felt it too much of a cleverly marketed ploy of keeping people hooked for the season storylines. But I like that with the comic medium they are more upfront with it. I know when I'm going to have a few issues dedicated to a plot point then a standalone.
As for this season I want to know is this the real direction for Buffy? Is this where the show would have ended up? Probably not. But this is what we have. I know that the people behind the comic aren't trying to half ass it and they actually do care about the stories that are being told. As long as I feel there is effort and love behind the stories, whether they are hit or miss, I will continue to read Buffy. I am a fan for life.
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Post by Mathieu on Feb 6, 2009 23:57:07 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong. I am a huge fan of Buffy. But I guess I'm just having a hard time adjusting to the new format. I always feel like there's a huge potential but it falls flat. Not always though, I did enjoy the crossover with Fray, I thought that was a great story to tell... But I feel like they put too much effort in coming up with witty sophisticated lines but they don't bother to deliver real suspensful storylines. I didn't expect much from the Kennedy/Satsu issue, and indeed I didn't get much. Too short, too fast, and not enough of thos characters we really care about.
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Post by sarahi on Feb 7, 2009 0:25:47 GMT -5
I usually only get mad, bored, or disappointed when a crucial part of the story is left in a cliffhanger. We have to wait a month between issues, four times what we had to wait to see another episode. Other than that, I sort of agree about Amy and Warren. It was fun to read for that first arc, but now I'm just waiting for the writers to find a way to get rid of them.
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Post by Essentially Yours on Feb 7, 2009 0:30:48 GMT -5
Personally, I don't care for Kennedy, but I do like Satsu. I think it's important to introduce new (mainish) characters into season eight. On the show, new characters were introduced each season anyway... Riley, Tara, Dawn, etc. I think having the spotlight shine on Satsu and Kennedy was intended to show their chemistry together. The comic made me like the chemistry between Kennedy and Satsu more than Willow and Kennedy, honestly. However, as much as I dislike Kennedy, I do think that Kennedy should have had more... something. Lines, character background or development... just something I can't put my finger on it.
I agree to the Twilight storyline dragging on. As much as I enjoyed the vampy cats, I think there should have been more information about Twilight's motives. I suppose one of his motives could be to make Buffy look bad in the public's eye. IE: Down with the Slayers. Up with the vampires! Even if that's a big part of his motives, I find myself losing interest in him as fast as me losing interest in Dawn's many and forever long-lasting transformations. I did like Mecha-Dawn though.
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Feb 7, 2009 1:55:26 GMT -5
Although I feel that some of my excitement and anticipation for each issue of Buff has dies down recently (since issue 20), I feel like it will start back up again.
The MAIN problem I have is just the style they are doing it. It's a comic. It's not a T.V. show. I like the arcs and stuff, but if it isn't crucial to the story arc, I really don't want it (especially if its an arc). The reason AFTER THE FALL was such a hit was because each issue flowed into the next and they didn't have any arcs. I hope, when Season 9 comes around, they ditch the whole "arc" idea and just do a format like AFTER THE FALL. It seems to me, that each issue jumps time a lot (in between arcs and standalone, I mean) and I feel like they ONLY do this because the writers only have 22 pages to work with and they don't want to spend time developing into the storyline...that's why we got a crap reasoning for the whole "people are cool with vamps". Lets face it, the opening of that issue would have stunk EVEN more if it was supposed to be shocking that vamps were out...but since we already knew based on the solicitations we didn't need to be shown, in the issue, a lot about "vampires are OUT NOW."
By the way, I completely hate the vampires being out because it was handled like a joke and not well at all.
UPDATE: Hey! I just got an idea based on reading the Q&A with Scott Allie when he didn't answer the question about Twilight being behind Harmony's becoming famous. If this is the case, I'd like it a lot better. Maybe Twilight's mark is on most people and that's why they're all okay with it. Hmmm...
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Post by henzINNIT on Feb 7, 2009 7:28:14 GMT -5
I was mad, bored and disappointed with season 8, but that's gone since I started caring less. I just pick up the issue every month or so give it a quick read and add it to the pile. The discussion the issues create is more interesting to me. I hardly even watch the episodes any more to be honest.
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Post by Whedon Fan on Feb 7, 2009 8:10:36 GMT -5
1. We don't see enough of the core groupe. The scoobies never get reunited, they're all scattered. We get some Xander/Dawn, some Willow/Kennedy, etc... but where's the spirit of the show? When they all met at the high school library, at the Magic Box or at Buffy's house? I know things change, but we did have that in the first arc. I just want more interactions. I mean Buffy almost got killed by Future Dark Willow and we don't even see what consequences that has brought to the present Buffy/Willow friendship. I too want more scooby reunions but it doesn't look like it's going to happen the reason behind this is becuase as stated in issue 20 and a few others. Everything is a mess, Twilight, Dawn situation, Getting sucked into the future, Vampires hating slayers. There isn't enough time. But still I know a lot of fans want at least a page or two for the three of them to spend time with each other. I also wanted them to show a little but of the consequences of TOYL but seen as a lot of the issues take place a few days/weeks later then we can just assume that they did talk about it. 2. In the last issue, 90% of the story is centered around Satsu and Kennedy. Who cares about them? The thing about issue 22 was not really about the vampy cats or anything like that. IMO it was about Kennedy helping Satsu get over Buffy which on the last page it looks like she is going to start. Why Kennedy because she's probably had an expeience like this and thought she could help, which is why she voluntered to go to evaluate Satsu. 3. The Twilight storyline is starting to drag along and past the excitement of wondering who he (or she?) is, there's not much to look forward to. The whole thing is just kind of confusing. Meh, it has to be think if they just layed it all out it would be terrible. Go back to season 5 oh my god ben is glory, will we tell you in the first episode no. They made an arc from it. Same goes for season 3 the mayor didn't try to kill everyone until the last episode but I love season 3. 4. Stupid things happen in this season, like Dawn's tranformations or the tree people. What the hell? It doesn't add to the story. Well, I'm still waiting for a good explanation as far as the Dawn storyline is concerned. Looks like we're going to get the explanation in issue 25. Hope it's a good pay off. As far as the tree people are concerned I completley agree with you. I'm not really into the fairy tale crap that they seem to be putting into season 8 but meh, it's still Buffy. 5. Some characters really look alike and it's hard to tell them apart. And it can get annoying. Semi agree, a few random slayers can look like Buffy or Willow sometimes but still. Georges is on a tight schedule and I think he does a great job 6. Some characters, like old villains have been brought back and it was completely pointless (and by that I mean Amy and Warren). I am happy with Amy being back but hate that Warren is back. Ruins the continuity and I'm not buying that Amy was watching Willow and Warren and he did die for a second that's how the first can take his form. Warren is not needed and I wish they would just edit him out of the TPB and re-release it. Keep Amy she could be Twilight's girl friend or even just an ally. 7. The whole thing about Buffy and Satsu? Not buying into it. It doesn't feel real. I guess it would come across better on television. But all the lines Kennedy had at the end of issue 22 really sounded a bit over the top, as if the writers wanted to stress that YES SATSU SILL LOVES BUFFY AND BUFFY IS NOT GAY. For God's sake, please be more subtle. Eh...did you not see her thow away the lip gloss the symbol of the Buffy & Satsu thing. She moving on now 8. I'm still having a hard time understanding how the world population suddenly realized they adored blood-suckers... again, what the hell? It would have been fun in an alternative reality... but this one, really? Ugh don't get me started on that. The majority of the population would hate the vampires there may be a few in the "yeah" camp but still. Most would be attacking with pitch forks and going after them. Unless like someone has already said Twilight's mark has done something to them all. I guess I'm done. 8 things to rant about, just like Season ""8""!! (talk about being subtle, uh).
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Post by witcher on Feb 7, 2009 13:08:01 GMT -5
1. We don't see enough of the core groupe. The scoobies never get reunited, they're all scattered. We get some Xander/Dawn, some Willow/Kennedy, etc... but where's the spirit of the show? Well you have to admit that they have 1500 Slayers all over the world to handle. They have to take some responsibility for them, so its normal that with more obligations they will have a little less time for each other. The writers are just trying to make the story more epic. In the last issue, 90% of the story is centered around Satsu and Kennedy. Who cares about them? I personally like that the story is not so Buffy centered. There is evil beyond Sunnydale ( now Scotland) and there are people fighting evil and for me its interesting to see their stories. The Twilight storyline is starting to drag along and past the excitement of wondering who he (or she?) is, there's not much to look forward to. The whole thing is just kind of confusing. So what. Waiting for things to happened is the half of the fun! I would have hated it if they showed us who Twilight is in TBS.. The suspension keeps me on my toes! Some characters, like old villains have been brought back and it was completely pointless I agree, but ATF also brought Nina back... and for what??? OK she was not dead but what was the point of having her in ATF??? She did nothing!!! People just have to stop seeing S8 as literal continuation of the show! Yes its the same characters and writers, but its a different format, and the stores are told differently. You can't expect same amount of character interaction in 20-ish comic pages as you got in 45 min of the show. Also they were clear about S8 being more epic, so you have to expect that it will have a wold-wide story. I am LOVING S8 much more than ATF, especially after the last issue. Don't get me wrong, I liked ATF but it was kinda ANGEL, ANGEL, ANGEL and who cares about other people, because we have ANGEL!!! S8 reminds me of X-Men and Fables ( my favorite comics.. two of..) I was hoping that the story would get faster, and with P&P it is so I'm happy ;D
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Post by Mathieu on Feb 7, 2009 13:16:48 GMT -5
I was mad, bored and disappointed with season 8, but that's gone since I started caring less. I just pick up the issue every month or so give it a quick read and add it to the pile. The discussion the issues create is more interesting to me. I hardly even watch the episodes any more to be honest. Exactly. I go to my comic book store. I get home. I read the issue which takes me about 10 minutes because I take my time to make it last. Then it's over. I add it to the pile and get on the internet to start discussing the issue with the rest of you guys. I'm basically more excited about the idea of reading your thoughts and reactions than reading the issue itself.
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Post by Mathieu on Feb 7, 2009 13:20:43 GMT -5
Although I feel that some of my excitement and anticipation for each issue of Buff has dies down recently (since issue 20), I feel like it will start back up again. The MAIN problem I have is just the style they are doing it. It's a comic. It's not a T.V. show. I like the arcs and stuff, but if it isn't crucial to the story arc, I really don't want it (especially if its an arc). The reason AFTER THE FALL was such a hit was because each issue flowed into the next and they didn't have any arcs. I hope, when Season 9 comes around, they ditch the whole "arc" idea and just do a format like AFTER THE FALL. It seems to me, that each issue jumps time a lot (in between arcs and standalone, I mean) and I feel like they ONLY do this because the writers only have 22 pages to work with and they don't want to spend time developing into the storyline...that's why we got a crap reasoning for the whole "people are cool with vamps". Lets face it, the opening of that issue would have stunk EVEN more if it was supposed to be shocking that vamps were out...but since we already knew based on the solicitations we didn't need to be shown, in the issue, a lot about "vampires are OUT NOW." By the way, I completely hate the vampires being out because it was handled like a joke and not well at all. UPDATE: Hey! I just got an idea based on reading the Q&A with Scott Allie when he didn't answer the question about Twilight being behind Harmony's becoming famous. If this is the case, I'd like it a lot better. Maybe Twilight's mark is on most people and that's why they're all okay with it. Hmmm... I haven't read the Angel After the Fall series but I'm looking forward to it (just a money issue for now). But I do agree that we don't have time for standalones. When the show was on TV, we would wait a week for 45 minutes of watching. Now we have to wait a month for 10 minutes of reading. It has to be worth the wait or else we lose interest.
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Post by Mathieu on Feb 7, 2009 13:33:43 GMT -5
1. We don't see enough of the core groupe. The scoobies never get reunited, they're all scattered. We get some Xander/Dawn, some Willow/Kennedy, etc... but where's the spirit of the show? When they all met at the high school library, at the Magic Box or at Buffy's house? I know things change, but we did have that in the first arc. I just want more interactions. I mean Buffy almost got killed by Future Dark Willow and we don't even see what consequences that has brought to the present Buffy/Willow friendship. I too want more scooby reunions but it doesn't look like it's going to happen the reason behind this is becuase as stated in issue 20 and a few others. Everything is a mess, Twilight, Dawn situation, Getting sucked into the future, Vampires hating slayers. There isn't enough time. But still I know a lot of fans want at least a page or two for the three of them to spend time with each other. I also wanted them to show a little but of the consequences of TOYL but seen as a lot of the issues take place a few days/weeks later then we can just assume that they did talk about it. 2. In the last issue, 90% of the story is centered around Satsu and Kennedy. Who cares about them? The thing about issue 22 was not really about the vampy cats or anything like that. IMO it was about Kennedy helping Satsu get over Buffy which on the last page it looks like she is going to start. Why Kennedy because she's probably had an expeience like this and thought she could help, which is why she voluntered to go to evaluate Satsu. 3. The Twilight storyline is starting to drag along and past the excitement of wondering who he (or she?) is, there's not much to look forward to. The whole thing is just kind of confusing. Meh, it has to be think if they just layed it all out it would be terrible. Go back to season 5 oh my god ben is glory, will we tell you in the first episode no. They made an arc from it. Same goes for season 3 the mayor didn't try to kill everyone until the last episode but I love season 3. 4. Stupid things happen in this season, like Dawn's tranformations or the tree people. What the hell? It doesn't add to the story. Well, I'm still waiting for a good explanation as far as the Dawn storyline is concerned. Looks like we're going to get the explanation in issue 25. Hope it's a good pay off. As far as the tree people are concerned I completley agree with you. I'm not really into the fairy tale crap that they seem to be putting into season 8 but meh, it's still Buffy. 5. Some characters really look alike and it's hard to tell them apart. And it can get annoying. Semi agree, a few random slayers can look like Buffy or Willow sometimes but still. Georges is on a tight schedule and I think he does a great job 6. Some characters, like old villains have been brought back and it was completely pointless (and by that I mean Amy and Warren). I am happy with Amy being back but hate that Warren is back. Ruins the continuity and I'm not buying that Amy was watching Willow and Warren and he did die for a second that's how the first can take his form. Warren is not needed and I wish they would just edit him out of the TPB and re-release it. Keep Amy she could be Twilight's girl friend or even just an ally. 7. The whole thing about Buffy and Satsu? Not buying into it. It doesn't feel real. I guess it would come across better on television. But all the lines Kennedy had at the end of issue 22 really sounded a bit over the top, as if the writers wanted to stress that YES SATSU SILL LOVES BUFFY AND BUFFY IS NOT GAY. For God's sake, please be more subtle. Eh...did you not see her thow away the lip gloss the symbol of the Buffy & Satsu thing. She moving on now 8. I'm still having a hard time understanding how the world population suddenly realized they adored blood-suckers... again, what the hell? It would have been fun in an alternative reality... but this one, really? Ugh don't get me started on that. The majority of the population would hate the vampires there may be a few in the "yeah" camp but still. Most would be attacking with pitch forks and going after them. Unless like someone has already said Twilight's mark has done something to them all. I guess I'm done. 8 things to rant about, just like Season ""8""!! (talk about being subtle, uh). Thanks for taking your time to respond to each of my points. I agree with most of the things you said. Although I think that saying Buffy and Willow probably talked about it in between the two issues is not satisfactory enough. Seriously. It's a huge deal, whether they did or not can change everything. And if it didn't, well there was no point bringing the TOYL arc to us. I agree Amy can add to the story of Season 8 but bringing Warren back?? Biggest mistake ever made in the Buffyverse! It just doesn't make sense to me after season 6 and 7. There's a too much kind of feeling. It is just... lame. I like Amy though, and guess what, Amy is alive so I guess it makes it ok to have her around. ;-) I know that Satsu is moving on now. But that's the point. We know that Satsu and Buffy have no future together since issue... 11? I mean Buffy never showed any interest whatsoever. So it was so obvious they wrote that standalone just to make it full circle and have Satsu move on. It's just not subtle. When you read the three first pages of issue 22 that quickly put comes down to "Satsu you have to move on", you just know the last page is going to be Satsu being all "ok I'm moving on now"... and you can skip what's in between, since it's basically a bunch of slayers destroying an army of vampy cats from a submarine. Well I guess you can jump to the page where there blow them up, it is kinda fun. And, yes, I also hope they have a better explanation for the world population going... nuts.
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Post by Mathieu on Feb 7, 2009 13:36:05 GMT -5
1. We don't see enough of the core groupe. The scoobies never get reunited, they're all scattered. We get some Xander/Dawn, some Willow/Kennedy, etc... but where's the spirit of the show? Well you have to admit that they have 1500 Slayers all over the world to handle. They have to take some responsibility for them, so its normal that with more obligations they will have a little less time for each other. The writers are just trying to make the story more epic. I personally like that the story is not so Buffy centered. There is evil beyond Sunnydale ( now Scotland) and there are people fighting evil and for me its interesting to see their stories. So what. Waiting for things to happened is the half of the fun! I would have hated it if they showed us who Twilight is in TBS.. The suspension keeps me on my toes! Some characters, like old villains have been brought back and it was completely pointless I agree, but ATF also brought Nina back... and for what??? OK she was not dead but what was the point of having her in ATF??? She did nothing!!! People just have to stop seeing S8 as literal continuation of the show! Yes its the same characters and writers, but its a different format, and the stores are told differently. You can't expect same amount of character interaction in 20-ish comic pages as you got in 45 min of the show. Also they were clear about S8 being more epic, so you have to expect that it will have a wold-wide story. I am LOVING S8 much more than ATF, especially after the last issue. Don't get me wrong, I liked ATF but it was kinda ANGEL, ANGEL, ANGEL and who cares about other people, because we have ANGEL!!! S8 reminds me of X-Men and Fables ( my favorite comics.. two of..) I was hoping that the story would get faster, and with P&P it is so I'm happy ;D I also like the fact the war has gone global. And I also want to see stories from all over the world but I want them to be well told. (I'm not saying I hate season 8, it's my first ranting since it started so I just let it all out but I'm going to keep reading it of course!)
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Post by Ethros on Feb 7, 2009 14:23:26 GMT -5
I'm a massive Buffy fan too (TV) and I agree with you on EVERY count!
In fact, the whole thing about "Buffy killing future Willow" I'd practically forgot about! I read the issues when I buy them, and then don't read them again until I get the TPB. And as you say the fact that there's been ZERO follow up to that at all in the issues since followed has just made it almost redundant.
And thank you for point 2. Its what I kept thinking all the time reading the issue. Kennedy and Satsu? Kennedy... and Satsu?! Who gives a...
I could too go on a rant but you pretty much covered it all. It's just badly plotted IMO. Right now I really don't care who Twilight is, esp when the guy has featued so little anyway, and we won't find out until about issue 39 probably anyway, two years from now! And the whole "who is Twilight" thing also just seems like a poormans "who is the Final Cylon" from BSG
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Post by Paul on Feb 7, 2009 17:29:12 GMT -5
1. The core three have had plenty development so far, and their arcs are ongoing. We're not going to get long scenes of the characters sitting around talking because the medium doesn't doesn't allow for that; a single scene of a television episode would fill up almost a whole issue. However, I pointed out in another thread all the fun little Scooby interactions moments we've had so far; they are there.
2. No offense, but this is such a dumb point. The writers aren't supposed to utilize and develop new characters? What if they'd never taken the time to develop Anya, Tara, and Spike? As for "Who cares about them?", quite a lot of people actually. Satsu is probably the most popular new character introduced in the comics, and Kennedy has become massively popular due to her appearances in Season Eight. I admit the issue was flawed, which I covered in the "Swell" thread, but your argument against it is ridiculous.
3. Big Bads typically don't do much until later in the season, and we're only approximately half-way through. "Who is Twilight" is not the only storyline happening in Season Eight. Just relax and let the story unfold.
4. Most of these "stupid things" are just light comic relief. The Dawn storyline is ongoing and I always expected it to span the majority of the season. #25 looks set to deliver some answers, again just relax and be patient.
5. The artwork has been great and George Jeanty has done some of the best actor likenesses I've seen while remaining dynamic and natural. It's not photorealistic and it isn't trying to be.
6. Amy was fair game, she never got a conclusion in the TV show. It's too early to brand her and Warren "pointless" because they're in cahoots with Twilight and will likely have a bigger role later in the season. Joss wouldn't have brought Warren back if he didn't have a plan for him.
7. This again? Buffy and Satsu was handled fine. Everything would have seemed "more real" on TV, because we would have seen actual human beings acting it out. But it's a comic, so get over it. Are you saying they should just "play it safe" and not take risks with the story? Because that's not Buffy. As for subtlety, Kennedy's not subtle and never has been. She's going to tell it straight, so to speak.
8. The whole "vamps are in" thing is clearly a social commentary and people are taking it way too literally. I think it's pretty "in-character" for the Buffyverse that society has kind of a blasé attitude to the supernatural and it's a nice parody of the superficial MTV generation.
Sorry if I've been a little kurt or rude in my responses, but honestly I've heard these complaints a million times and they all seem to come from impatient fans who have an obvious dislike of the comic book medium. All we ever hear is "we have to wait a whole month?!?" Get over it. Season Eight has been coming out just as regularly as any other comic book series and is paced very well (Christ, did none of you follow Joss' Astonishing X-Men, talk about perspective). People need to stop approaching Season Eight as a television series and appreciate it for what it is; a long-term story that is going to several years to tell but will be well worth it in the end.
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Post by wenxina on Feb 7, 2009 17:42:59 GMT -5
Would like to point out that there's been follow-up on the whole Buffy vs. Dark Willow front. It's not between the two of them, and there's a reason why. In #20, Angel tells Buffy that changing the present could lead to very undesirable future outcomes. It's pretty much between the lines that Buffy (at least at the moment) has decided not to talk to Willow about going dark again in the future.
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Post by dane5by5 on Feb 7, 2009 21:25:35 GMT -5
Would like to point out that there's been follow-up on the whole Buffy vs. Dark Willow front. It's not between the two of them, and there's a reason why. In #20, Angel tells Buffy that changing the present could lead to very undesirable future outcomes. It's pretty much between the lines that Buffy (at least at the moment) has decided not to talk to Willow about going dark again in the future. I'd like to reiterate this, as many people have complained that there has been no discussion between Buffy and Willow regarding the events of 'Time of Your Life'. A major point of 'After These Messages..." was Buffy's dicision to keep this information to herself, to keep this secret from Willow. Which continues the trend of Buffy and Willow keeping secrets from each other... Which was also dealt with in 'Anywhere But Here'. Does anyone notice a recurring theme? I'm not sure if you are a recent fan of BtVS (as in post 2003) but these discussions have happened every season (even more so for Season Six and Seven) they have resulted in polemical debates between different groups of fans, and Season Eight is continuing this trend. The direction of almost every season has been contentious and it is much easier to have an objective opinion of the "Season" once it is finished. Another thing I would like to note is that if the Amy/Warren return is dealt with well, it could be well worth the recon. All the emotional issues that can be created by their return for Willow could make for an amazing story. We just need to wait and see how this pans out. When I started reading Season Eight, which is only the second comic series I read (after Fray) I had the same opinion regarding the art and likeness to the respective actors. Since then, I've come to accept the medium for what it is (or more for what it is not, which is television). Perhaps you need to do this too. We are not going to have the same bonding scenes between the Scoobies. This is due to two reasons, #1 the medium - 22 pages does not lend itself to these scenes due to the time/length constraints. If they are there, they will be shorter. #2 the story - running a global organisation does not leave a bunch of time for socialising at The Bronze. Another point I would like to make, if vampires did "come of of the coffin" to quote 'True Blood'. What would the response be? Would they be presucuted (a la 'True Blood') or would they be embraced? This story has chosen to take it the less explored possibility, and have the subculture accepted and welcomed by the population. Lasty, regarding issue #22 "Swell", new characters need to be developed and have story time devoted to them. I've always preferred the episodes where a side character gets the spotlight for an episode, they usually give the audience a greater deal of understanding of the character and allow for more character development. Episodes that come to mind are The Zeppo (Xander), Fool For Love (Spike), Selfless (Anya) and Storyteller (Andrew). These episodes are usually fan favourites, and for me, Swell will be a classic character issue of Season Eight on par with these character episodes.
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Post by Mathieu on Feb 7, 2009 21:31:03 GMT -5
Would like to point out that there's been follow-up on the whole Buffy vs. Dark Willow front. It's not between the two of them, and there's a reason why. In #20, Angel tells Buffy that changing the present could lead to very undesirable future outcomes. It's pretty much between the lines that Buffy (at least at the moment) has decided not to talk to Willow about going dark again in the future. Oh yeah!! That's right, I totally forgotn about that quote. I never really got it though because what Angel actually says is "you can't change a person's PAST", he doesn't say "a person's future"... so I wasn't sure what he meant by that.
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Feb 7, 2009 21:32:57 GMT -5
Satsu and Kennedy... booo I am disappointed with most of Season 8 anyway...
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