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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 10, 2010 18:12:52 GMT -5
I was outbid like four times. Why do I suck at eBay? XD What's the best way to do this without upping the price 400 times? Waiting till the last day and then just sniping it at the last second? XD If you're aiming for a specific item, and someone wants it as much (or even more than) you and has more money than you do, there is no "best way". They're almost definitely going to win. Best thing you can do, really, is just decide, "I want something from the show, but I don't really care what that is," and just keep bidding on stuff until it goes above your price range, then move on to the next item and try again. Hopefully something will slip thru the cracks, and you can get it for a decent amount. It's tougher here because they don't seem to be putting as many items up at a time, so there's less chance of something going relatively unnoticed like that. The "Buffy" and "Angel" auctions, I remember they sometimes had like 40, 50, 60 things listed all at the same time...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 9, 2010 16:06:42 GMT -5
Gwen was okay, but I think she was one of those characters who's best in small doses--3 eps in S4 was maybe 1 ep too many. I wouldn't have minded seeing her back once or twice in S5. She was pretty much pointless in AtF, but there were several characters who were pretty much pointless in AtF... Gotta disagree that Gwen's role was pointless in ATF. Since not everyone has read it, I will spolier tag: I thought her role had a somewhat signifigant impact on the story. She was key in executing Gunn's plan, and her betrayal really hurts Connor. And I'll disagree with your disagreement. She wasn't so much "key in executing Gunn's plan" as much as she was just "already in the story anyway, and that just gave her something to do." Her task there, of briefly delaying the rest of the gang, could've been just as easily accomplished in any number of other ways that didn't involve Gwen at all. And yeah, it hurt Connor, but that really wasn't much of a payoff--it didn't seem to have a profound, lasting impact on him (from what I remember, anyway). One of AtF's biggest problems was that it had way too many characters who turned out to be pretty superfluous. Gwen, Nina, Groo, Betta George, Spider & the Spiderettes, and worst of all: Wes and Lorne. Yeah, they all had moments that you could point to and say, "Ah, but they were important to the story because they did ______" (except maybe Nina, who was completely pointless). But in just about every case, each of those characters' ______ moment was more of an excuse for including them in the story than a real solid character-based, or crucial plot-based reason for including them (the key word there being " crucial"). More than once I've considered starting a thread about what a bad decision I think bringing back Wes and Lorne was, but I just don't think that this is the right site for that. Someplace with a little less Lynch-love would probably get a more objective discussion on that subject. (*shudders, remembering Emmie's attempt a few months back to question Cordy's inclusion in AtF* )
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 9, 2010 3:40:06 GMT -5
Knowing that, I hope Joss decides to remove their supernatural powers but have them win the day anyway, thanks to their own inner strength and courage. That would actually be an even better feminist message, as it removes the reliance on forces outside the self -- right now, you could make the argument that it's the magic that's strong, not the women. Yeah, but then that's Joss's own fault for crafting the mythology the way he did. He could just as easily have made Buffy a girl who had a black belt in martial arts, or just an innate fighting ability, and used that to kill vampires and demons--no supernatural powers whatsoever. But instead he went the Superman/X-Men route. The magic was a core part of the original empowerment--it can't then be looked at as a negative getting in the way of future empowerment, just because that might suddenly make for a convenient excuse for clearing the board of all these excess characters...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 9, 2010 3:11:23 GMT -5
Angel S2 vs Buffy S5: Darla >>>> Glory. Also, Dawn. Come on now. Hey--I resent that! Seriously, tho, this is the only one of the 4 comparisons I disagree with you on. The Angel/Darla interaction made for some great character development for both of them, but other than W&H also being fleshed out a little more, I think this was really the only thing AtS S2 had going for it. I've never been clear on exactly what W&H's plan for Darla really was, and I kinda get the impression that Holland, and the show's writers themselves, were making it up as they went along. Her arc also comes to a bit of an abrupt end 2/3 of the way thru the season, which apparently had to do with a movie that Julie Benz couldn't get out of. Now, the way her storyline ended in S2 was good, certainly, but I would rather it had played out all the way thru the end of ep22. Unlike a lot of people, I actually like the Pylean episodes, but they do make for a weak season-ender. Also, Glory and Darla: 2 completely different types of characters, so it's not even a fair comparison. Darla's there to specifically provide a personal connection for Angel's character to work off of. On "Buffy", the main characters all manage to do that thru their relationships with each other. Glory's just there as the outside threat. She's strictly an evil figure-of-fun, and is right up there with the Mayor as possibly the awesomest Big Bad ever. ;D (And Wesley does get some good character development in S2, so that's worth mentioning, also.) Seconded. They didn't follow this up with anything in S7 to make me hate them and turn the TV off, but it weakened my attachment to all 3 of them, and made it so that when they did get back to doing stuff that I hated in S8, it was very easy to stop buying the book each month.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 9, 2010 2:52:12 GMT -5
Sounds a little like an X-rated comic strip series someone did a few years ago all about vampire-Willow (funny as hell ). Big difference there was that the author/artist wasn't making any money off them, which is the same reason we can all write fanfic. Yeah, I'd see about contacting Fox's legal department. They should be a lot easier to get ahold of than Joss, and even if he found out, that's who he'd turn it right over to, anyway. I'd love to contact Joss and Eliza Dushku to tell them to make Faith the vampire slayer! It just serisouly has to be done. Because Faith was the opposite to Buffy and lets face it we all love a good spin off. Joss and the rest of the Mutant Enemy team were all prepared to do just that back in 2003--even pitched it to the network. Eliza turned it down, and took "Tru Calling" instead. She was fine with playing Faith for a few episodes here and there, but it wasn't a role she wanted to make a career out of.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 8, 2010 17:33:12 GMT -5
I don't think if Faith & Angel had a releationship it wouldn't be one of her "one night stands" as she has done with every other guy. I think Faith has alot of respect for Angel and i think maybe if she would of stayed in Angel she deffinatley might of had a thing with him. Not saying that it necessarily would have been a one-night stand. But given Faith's problems with commitment (prime example: Robin Wood, S7 and S8), I think she's going to have a hard time staying in a relationship for very long with anyone in her life, even people she cares a lot about. And I do think she cares about Angel. He's her best friend. Probably her only friend. And that's what I'd hate to see ruined by a physical relationship. You need friends in your life, people who like you and understand you, and who will go out of their way to help you when you need it. Faith doesn't have anyone else like that, and I don't know if she ever will--making friends doesn't seem to be one of her best skills. On the other hand, she has no trouble finding lovers, and with the way she looks, that probably won't change anytime soon. I think it'd be best for her to keep Angel as her one real friend, without the complication of sex.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 8, 2010 17:07:50 GMT -5
Gwen was okay, but I think she was one of those characters who's best in small doses--3 eps in S4 was maybe 1 ep too many. I wouldn't have minded seeing her back once or twice in S5. She was pretty much pointless in AtF, but there were several characters who were pretty much pointless in AtF... Faith was handled just perfectly, IMO. She should be more of a BtVS character than an AtS one, but she seems ideally suited to be able to bounce back and forth between one and the other (and whether it was the lighting or makeup or what, I don't know, but Eliza always seemed to look just a little bit hotter on AtS than BtVS ). And a big "No!" from me on her and Angel gettin' all smoochy! She relates to nearly everyone around her in a sexual way to one degree or another, so I love that Angel is the one guy in her life where that's not the case--that he seems to be her one true friend and equal. I would have hated to see that unique friendship spoiled by him becoming just another guy that she's boned...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 7, 2010 18:15:23 GMT -5
And did I read somewhere that Vi, Rona, and Chao-Ahn were among the slayers killed in a recent issue? Where did you read that? Since it's impossible to tell at the moment. There were a bunch of Slayers killed around the world, but they were nameless (and for the most part, faceless). So either someone's trying to stir crap up, or they're making crap up, and either way, it's crappy of them. Well, that's a small comfort, then--thanks for setting me straight on that. Still sucks that so many have been killed, but it would somehow be even worse if it had been ones that so much time had already been invested in. That probably makes me sound heartless, but no more so than Buffy herself. I read it in the thread here for whichever issue that was--#31 or 32. I'm betting that whoever said it probably just assumed more than what was actually there--I don't think there was anything malicious in it. We've all seen cases over the years of fans jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions, right? "Release" (AtS S4)--Angel bites Faith right at the end, and all you see is about 1.5 seconds of him sinking his teeth into her neck, yet I still remember going online the night it originally aired and seeing someone say, "Wow, so Faith is a vampire now." Umm... ?
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 7, 2010 18:03:48 GMT -5
I got 19/20, but I don't know which one I missed o.0 I think maybe it was the name of the Mayor snake demon thing. I have no clue what the name of that was. The rest was easy-peasy What was the name of the Mayor's snake name?? I don't think I got that one either. Olvikan. I thought the hardest question was the one about which of those 3 actresses originally auditioned for Cordelia. It took me a minute to finally come up with Bianca Lawson...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 7, 2010 17:46:56 GMT -5
Travolta was good in "Pulp Fiction" and "Get Shorty", but otherwise, yeah, I'm with you: can't think of anything else I really enjoyed him in. And actually, I'm not even sure if he was "good" in PF, so much as he just "didn't suck". It was Samuel L. Jackson who was really the most memorable actor in that film. "Well, do they speak English in What? ... English, mother*$@#, do you speak it?!" Awesome. ("Say 'what?' again! I dare you! I double-dare you!")
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 7, 2010 17:08:53 GMT -5
I just don't like him as a actor. I think he's just really terrible and thinks he's great. And doesn't seem like a nice person (i may be wrong) it's just a person dislike to him. Im sure you have someone you dislike e.g alot of people hate paris hilton why? i don't know i quite like her. When i say hate i don't mean Marc did something to me personally haha i just don't like the man. Im sure you don't like some people like i said. Well, I can't stand Cassie, because I can't stand the actress who plays her, so I guess I understand where you're coming from on that. But to not like a character because you think that the actor playing him might not be a nice guy... I don't really get that. I mean, I've always gotten the distinct impression that SMG is somewhere between a stuck-up tight-ass with no sense of fun, and an outright miserable bitca... but I still love her as Buffy. I've never heard anything about Michelle Trachtenberg but what a nice, friendly person she is, yet I can't help getting the vibe from her that in reality she's just a self-centered princess. But she's still one of my favorite actresses (and gets my vote as one of the 3 or 4 most beautiful women in the world ). I don't let my opinions of them affect my enjoyment of them on-screen. For one thing, I have no way of knowing if those opinions are even accurate--I could be absolutely, 100% wrong about them. And for another, even if I am right--who cares? I don't have to work with them, and I'm sure I'll never date them, so let 'em be as mean as they want. And I never noticed Blucas as being a poor actor. Can you think of any examples of scenes where you didn't think he did a good job? I mean, he never blew me away as amazing, the way James Marsters and Enver Gjokaj did, but I never noticed him being any worse than Tony Head, J. August Richards, Amber Benson, or others... You know who does come across as a crappy actor most of the time? David Boreanaz. He's so stiff and emotionless as Angel that most of the time you think he just got the part because of his looks. But then when he gets the rare chance to show a different side of himself, as Angelus, or in an ep like "The Shroud of Rahmon", you realize that no, he's actually a really good actor--it's just the part he's playing that makes him seem so flat and boring most of the time. And then, of course, there's David Duchovny, who I think really is a crappy actor with no emotional range, but I still love him as Mulder... ;D
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 7, 2010 16:43:18 GMT -5
In two words: no. Oh, wait--that's just one word, isn't it? Damn, my maths are just not so much... I agree with a lot of what's already been said here: the sort of wandering, directionless nature of the series at times (a problem that S7 also had), certain characters returning for little more than the "OMG!" factor (Ethan, Amy, Warren, Riley, and even Oz), the utter ridiculousness of Xander/Dawn, etc. But I think the thing that's really been bothering me ever since Twilight first started rationalizing his actions in #11 is the idea that what Buffy did in "Chosen" was a mistake. If you go all the way back to the beginning, right back to S1, Buffy was always a character who embodied the idea of female empowerment. She showed that a girl could kick as much ass as any guy, and the series ended on such a wonderful expansion of that idea, with her sharing that ability, in effect saying, "Hey, this isn't just something that's limited to me-- you can do it, too." Then the next season starts, and we're told that this was actually a bad thing. Am I crazy, or is this just totally subverting the message of the entire series? The idea that female empowerment is bad, and there's only room in the world for one or two strong women, and all the others have gotta go? Granted, we haven't heard the final word on things yet, and it's possible Twilight will turn out to be 100% wrong about that, and by the final issue Buffy's decision in "Chosen" will be totally reaffirmed... but by the sound of things, I'm not optimistic about that. Either way, I think I would've rather had a little time first to enjoy the slayer army as a good thing before having it so completely called into question. Maybe a short S8 (12 issues or so) similar to S3, about some random guy who had an evil scheme brewin' that the slayers needed to race against time and overcome some odds to stop. Then launch into this storyline as S9. And did I read somewhere that Vi, Rona, and Chao-Ahn were among the slayers killed in a recent issue? If so, I can't help feeling like that's just one big giant kick in the crotch. They were so frustrating in S7 because of the amount of screentime they took away from the characters we'd rather have been seeing, but the one thing that made it slightly worth it in the end was that they became slayers. To just turn around and kill them off in the very next season makes S7 even harder to take... unless you're like me, and just resolve to ignore the comics, and decide that canon ends where the screen fades to black on "Chosen" and "Not Fade Away". "The Chain", NFFY, and WatG were all somewhere between awesome and brilliant, so it's just too bad that the rest of the season didn't measure up to those levels...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 7, 2010 16:05:00 GMT -5
Finally! Can't wait! Interesting tidbit about the identity-theft thing. I think that a lot of people (by which I mean me and all my imaginary friends ) had thought he had a past similar to the Operative--a former top government agent who became disillusioned. But now it sounds like he could just as easily be some kind of ex-criminal.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 7, 2010 15:54:43 GMT -5
20/20. I'm a total BtVS geek, but then, I already knew that.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 7, 2010 15:49:22 GMT -5
Life is hard, but "Buffy" is supposed to be an escape from that--a chance to sit down for 45 minutes, forget all your real-life troubles, and be entertained. Yeah, it's nice to see the characters go thru things that you can relate to, but I think the problem a lot of people have with S6 is that it just wasn't necessary to make every character as miserable as possible all at once. One or two would've been plenty. Too often, I wasn't entertained--I was just depressed. Hypothetical situation about Xander and Anya: Xander has all those fears about getting married, but goes thru with it anyway. As S7 begins, the marriage is off to a rocky start--they're arguing a lot, Xander's sleeping on the couch some nights, and he's starting to drink too much. To his horror, he realizes that exactly what he was afraid of happening is happening: they're turning into his parents. After a couple of episodes of struggling to decide what to do about it, he leaves and asks for a divorce, Anya becomes a vengeance demon again, and that whole storyline still ends up taking place, but just later on in S7. In the meantime we got the wonderfully-happy moment of their marriage in S6, amid all that other painful stuff, and Xander and Anya actually had a storyline in S7 that extended beyond ep5. Don't you think that might have been a little bit better choice than what they actually went with? It's still the same story, after all--just with more "meat" in the middle. Buffy deciding to "show the world to Dawn" is such a small moment that I really can't give the season any credit for it at all. Maybe if she'd had that realization a little earlier, and followed thru on it, but instead it was a tiny little thing at the end of the last episode, and didn't extend beyond the teaser of the next episode. And I agree with magic that Buffy's money troubles were the exact opposite of realistic. The writers completely ignored realism or logic, just so they could drive Buffy to the point of desperation where she'd have no choice but to work in a fast-food place. Willow and Tara were living in her house, and should've been chipping in rent money. Willow seemed like she came from a well-off family, and even if she wasn't getting any money from them, she and Tara both could've gotten part-time jobs and still gone to school. Coupled with the money she got from Giles, that would've been enough to let Buffy look around long enough to find something better than slinging burgers--but that didn't work for the story they wanted to tell. (And I, too, have a lot of trouble buying the idea that she'd rather keep working at the Doublemeat Palace than give the Magic Box another try, just because of one weird incident.) magic, the one thing I'll disagree with you about, tho, is Spike. I don't think what he tried to do was really OOC or hard-to-believe. I'm absolutely not making excuses for him (or blaming Buffy) here at all, but the two of them had a brief relationship that was all about sex, and violent sex at that. Hell, the first time they did it, they slammed each other around so badly that the house they were in fell down! She dumped him, he tried to get her back by reminding her of what they'd had, by being aggressive and violent, same as always, and in the heat of the moment he lost track of where the line was that shouldn't be crossed. Again, not excusing what he tried to do--just saying that when you have a violently sexual relationship with a mass-murderer who has no conscience, what happened wasn't exactly shockingly unexpected.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 5, 2010 18:43:01 GMT -5
Not only would Buffy float if you threw her in the lake, but she can actually fly--without needing a broomstick. Are you denying then that she's a witch? Say, just what might you be hiding, sir? That I'm a 'mo, and I have a posse of fag hags with pottymouths that say things like "nutwads". You know you'll want in on this action, since Dawn is my main hag. That's not a secret--that's common knowledge. And your Dawn must be a clone, or even worse: lookalike wanna-be, since I've already got the genuine original here with me, rubbing my feet and fetching me beer from the fridge as I watch sports and action movies... ;D
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 5, 2010 18:04:20 GMT -5
Hey, how come there's no option for Mordar the Bentback? Whenever I hear that guy sing "Sexual Healing"... Mmm-mmm!
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 5, 2010 17:59:42 GMT -5
This whole thing is reminding me of that ridiculous Will Smith movie, Hancock. Actually, this whole thing is beginning to remind me of the Salem witch trials... Not only would Buffy float if you threw her in the lake, but she can actually fly--without needing a broomstick. Are you denying then that she's a witch? Say, just what might you be hiding, sir?
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 5, 2010 4:05:49 GMT -5
This isn't about Buffy and Angel. This is about Buffy falling into Twilight's arms. Twilight. And his explanations for his actions are a load of BS. I actually posed a question to Scott Allie to that effect. He says he's trying to "lower the body count" yet in Retreat, Twilight said he wanted to watch the soldiers die and that "they're mortal. They have to die sometime." Twilight is lying. The only thing he cares about his Buffy discovering the "manifest truth" of her being destined as his fellow god-like mate. Gods Tru WUV4EVA is what this issue is selling. And it's disturbing as hell. I'll preface this by saying that I haven't read the issue--or the last several, actually--and I no longer really care what happens in the comics one way or the other. But as an outsider looking in, that's the thing that I find the most disturbing, as well. It's not about Angel's motives--I agree, let's give those a big "wait and see" before forming any real final judgments. It's Buffy's reaction that I find horrifying, and that's something we don't need to wait and see about. (Unless a spell or some other outside factor is influencing her and making her behave in ways she otherwise wouldn't.) It's maybe a little easy under these circumstances to sit back and say, "Big deal--it's just a kiss." Because we never really got the chance to know all those dead girls. Not when they were potentials, and not after they became slayers. So we sort of brush aside their deaths with an, "Oh, that's sad," and then move on, same as we do when we hear about a fatal traffic accident on the local news. But the key thing here is that Buffy knew these girls. She trained them, she led them, and she's shown genuine guilt at failing the ones who've died. If Twilight had arranged the killing of Willow, Xander, Dawn, and Giles, I think there'd be much more fan outrage over her making out with him just a few minutes after hearing that revelation. We're deeply invested in those 4 characters, but not all those dead slayers. But to Buffy, there's not that same sort of wide chasm of feeling between the two groups that we as fans have. Or at least, that's what I would have thought before this week, but then again, Buffy stopped being a character I recognized about 6 issues back, so maybe this shouldn't surprise me as much as it has...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 5, 2010 3:28:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you're implying by saying that a storyline must've been unsatisfying for me because it dealt with human feeling, so I'll just ride right past that part of your post, and simply hope that something got lost in the translation there. If you want to call it a brilliant arc, I won't disagree. It was certainly "interesting", at the very least. But it was unsatisfying for me because it was so damn short. Anya got 2 good episodes out of it ("Beneath You" and "Selfless"). Xander got 1 ("Selfless"), and then neither one had anything real meaningful after that. If the writers were going to blow up one of the best relationships on the show, they should've had more to follow it up with than they apparently did. It seems like a lot of your praise for S6 is with how realistic it is, how the characters go thru things that people in real-life deal with. I agree. But it's hard to relate to a character struggling to find joy in her former mass-murdering ways because all her new human feelings are causing problems for her. It would've made for a much more realistic storyline that a lot more people could've related to if they'd gotten married, and then struggled adjusting to married life and the idea of starting a family. Like addiction, or life after college, that's something a lot of people have gone thru. It also would've made for much more of an ongoing storyline, with a lot more possibilities, than what they ended up with.
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